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Offline Jane

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Re: Why did Sheila wait so long to commit suicide ?
« Reply #225 on: June 14, 2015, 01:19:PM »
The thing is though,Jeremy had no idea of his sister's illness or even what she was capable of,which meant that he hadn't known what the psychiatrist had told CC,or he'd have really had a field day.It was only after,while in prison that he got to find out about her illness,through information which was gathered together for his first appeal.
As he told Eric Allison,he had no idea,nor did his parents ( although I imagine they kept a lot to themselves ) realise the extent of her illness and how she'd deteriorated in the 6 months leading up to the murders.
Jeremy hadn't known enough about Sheila to even contemplate placing any blame on her initially,so naturally it wouldn't sink in that she'd been so ill and he hadn't known,as it's been said that he first thought it was the raid team who shot his family.He WASN'T putting the blame on Sheila at all. Being innocent,he wouldn't have known what to think,as none of us would in the same position.


He must have known that people don't spend weeks in psych hospitals for nothing, Lookout, however thick you try to paint him as being. It was he who told the police that she'd only just come out of one so he wasn't UNaware of the significance. He was giving implicit and subliminal messages -coupled with the alleged call from his father supposedly saying that she'd gone mad- that she was capable of murder.

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Re: Why did Sheila wait so long to commit suicide ?
« Reply #226 on: June 14, 2015, 01:23:PM »

He must have known that people don't spend weeks in psych hospitals for nothing, Lookout, however thick you try to paint him as being. It was he who told the police that she'd only just come out of one so he wasn't UNaware of the significance. He was giving implicit and subliminal messages -coupled with the alleged call from his father supposedly saying that she'd gone mad- that she was capable of murder.

Painting a scene, a scene he couldn't have been part of if he was home in Goldganger answering a frantic call from his father at 3:10am.
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Re: Why did Sheila wait so long to commit suicide ?
« Reply #227 on: June 14, 2015, 01:39:PM »

He must have known that people don't spend weeks in psych hospitals for nothing, Lookout, however thick you try to paint him as being. It was he who told the police that she'd only just come out of one so he wasn't UNaware of the significance. He was giving implicit and subliminal messages -coupled with the alleged call from his father supposedly saying that she'd gone mad- that she was capable of murder.







He wasn't aware of the true nature of her illness--------and neither was anyone else.

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Re: Why did Sheila wait so long to commit suicide ?
« Reply #228 on: June 14, 2015, 01:40:PM »






He wasn't aware of the true nature of her illness--------and neither was anyone else.

And you are?
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Re: Why did Sheila wait so long to commit suicide ?
« Reply #229 on: June 14, 2015, 01:42:PM »
And you are?







Since reading what Ferguson had to say,plus the medication she was taking ( sporadically ) YES.

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Re: Why did Sheila wait so long to commit suicide ?
« Reply #230 on: June 14, 2015, 02:32:PM »
Read about Theresa Riggi,then tell me whether Sheila was capable or not.

This happened in 2010. A beautiful woman and her 3 equally beautiful children who she stabbed to death over a custody battle.

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Re: Why did Sheila wait so long to commit suicide ?
« Reply #231 on: June 14, 2015, 02:49:PM »
Read about Theresa Riggi,then tell me whether Sheila was capable or not.

This happened in 2010. A beautiful woman and her 3 equally beautiful children who she stabbed to death over a custody battle.



Sad and tragic though her situation was, neither Theresa Riggi nor any OTHER woman has ANYTHING to do with Sheila. We know even less of their history -save what we read in papers- than we do of Sheila's.

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Re: Why did Sheila wait so long to commit suicide ?
« Reply #232 on: June 14, 2015, 03:00:PM »
At least we have statements to get various pieces of information from,pertaining to Sheila and her at times,odd behaviour. The statement from Helen Grimster ( cousin ) stated that Sheila had told her that she'd contemplated suicide on more than one occasion,as she sat chain-smoking her " roll-ups ",which to Helen,smelled weird.?

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Re: Why did Sheila wait so long to commit suicide ?
« Reply #233 on: June 14, 2015, 03:38:PM »
At least we have statements to get various pieces of information from,pertaining to Sheila and her at times,odd behaviour. The statement from Helen Grimster ( cousin ) stated that Sheila had told her that she'd contemplated suicide on more than one occasion,as she sat chain-smoking her " roll-ups ",which to Helen,smelled weird.?



We do indeed have a statement from Helen Grimster. What we don't have from her is an indication of how often she was in Sheila's company, ie where, in proximity to each other did they live, were they neighbours, were they in each others company daily, weekly, monthly on a regular basis OR were their meetings one off happenstances. The statement we have SEEMS to be from one meeting and one meeting only and MAY have been at a time when Sheila was up, down, sober, drunk or just plain reflective on the meaning of life!!!

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Re: Why did Sheila wait so long to commit suicide ?
« Reply #234 on: June 14, 2015, 03:41:PM »




FGS !! Those YOUR words ?

No, he told Liz Rimmington.
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Re: Why did Sheila wait so long to commit suicide ?
« Reply #235 on: June 14, 2015, 03:46:PM »


We do indeed have a statement from Helen Grimster. What we don't have from her is an indication of how often she was in Sheila's company, ie where, in proximity to each other did they live, were they neighbours, were they in each others company daily, weekly, monthly on a regular basis OR were their meetings one off happenstances. The statement we have SEEMS to be from one meeting and one meeting only and MAY have been at a time when Sheila was up, down, sober, drunk or just plain reflective on the meaning of life!!!
Hi April,  Helen Grimster had this conversation with Sheila on 30th March 1985, she was visiting WHF at a time Sheila was also there   Helen Grimster's mother was a cousin of June's I think.
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Re: Why did Sheila wait so long to commit suicide ?
« Reply #236 on: June 14, 2015, 03:51:PM »
It was in the March of that year,1985,that Helen stayed there,and after that,didn't return again.

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Re: Why did Sheila wait so long to commit suicide ?
« Reply #237 on: June 14, 2015, 04:05:PM »
Since reading what Ferguson had to say,plus the medication she was taking ( sporadically ) YES.

This is a prime example of how you distort reality.  You consistently suggest she was not taking her medication and thus went crazy and killed everyone and committed suicide and in part rely on Ferguson.  The actual statement from Ferguson notes she had been sporadically taking her medicine and as a result she relapsed so he took her off oral medication and put her on injections.  She no longer took medication herself she was injected medication on a monthly basis by her doctor.  She no longer had the ability to skip her medication because she didn't have to take it daily herself she was injected.

Her last injection was July 11, the injections lasted 6 weeks and thus only 3 passed at the time of her death thus the tox test found her medication in her system.   

You and other supporters engage in this worthless deception.  A further deception is to pretend that because Freddie was scared that this means she got violent during her episode though he expressly stated she never got violent with him or anyone else.  He simply was in fear she would get violent.

Another worthless deception is to say that because she grew up on a farm that had shotguns this means she would know how to use all firearms of any kind- it doesn't even mean she would know how to use a shotgun let alone a firearm that functions much differently. 

You have an agenda and to further that agenda you twist to pretend things are how you wish them to be instead of facing how they really are.
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Re: Why did Sheila wait so long to commit suicide ?
« Reply #238 on: June 14, 2015, 04:09:PM »
This is a prime example of how you distort reality.  You consistently suggest she was not taking her medication and thus went crazy and killed everyone and committed suicide and in part rely on Ferguson.  The actual statement from Ferguson notes she had been sporadically taking her medicine and as a result she relapsed so he took her off oral medication and put her on injections.  She no longer took medication herself she was injected medication on a monthly basis by her doctor.  She no longer had the ability to skip her medication because she didn't have to take it daily herself she was injected.

Her last injection was July 11, the injections lasted 6 weeks and thus only 3 passed at the time of her death thus the tox test found her medication in her system.   

You and other supporters engage in this worthless deception.  A further deception is to pretend that because Freddie was scared that this means she got violent during her episode though he expressly stated she never got violent with him or anyone else.  He simply was in fear she would get violent.

Another worthless deception is to say that because she grew up on a farm that had shotguns this means she would know how to use all firearms of any kind- it doesn't even mean she would know how to use a shotgun let alone a firearm that functions much differently. 

You have an agenda and to further that agenda you twist to pretend things are how you wish them to be instead of facing how they really are.







And you're imagining things again. I don't have an agenda at all. Furthermore,I don't twist things because I've no need to.
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Re: Why did Sheila wait so long to commit suicide ?
« Reply #239 on: June 14, 2015, 04:47:PM »






And you're imagining things again. I don't have an agenda at all. Furthermore,I don't twist things because I've no need to.
Thank God I don't think how you do !!

Scipio, Lookout looks after lots of cats.

She says Jeremy is innocent. Accept this as fact.
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'Only I know what really happened that night'.