were jeremy and brett lovers.

[Caroline]

To make them " more than just friends " all added to the circumstantial evidence and vilification of Jeremy which was the main aim in this case. Anything that hinted of unscrupulousness was jotted down in the " diary " of events.

How does having gay tendencies add to him being 'unscrupulous'?

[lookout]

How does having gay tendencies add to him being 'unscrupulous'?

This was RWB's attitude,and you know it. RWB hired a private detective to " spy " on the pair of them,probably hoping for a " juicy video " to add to his collection of fairy stories ( pun ) oh dear,lol.

[Caroline]

This was RWB's attitude,and you know it. RWB hired a private detective to " spy " on the pair of them,probably hoping for a " juicy video " to add to his collection of fairy stories ( pun ) oh dear,lol.

Probably not! He wasn't looking to catch Jeremy and Brett together at all - he wanted to find out about BC's backgground. Nothing more!!

[lookout]

Probably not! He wasn't looking to catch Jeremy and Brett together at all - he wanted to find out about BC's backgground. Nothing more!!

What was wrong in asking the guy outright ? He couldn't very well though,could he as RWB suspected him too.How desperate he must have been,especially if he'd heard EP mention that they had NOTHING on Jeremy.

[scipio_usmc]

To be fair Scip, Julie actually said Brett was ugly/unattractive (although from his picture, he's not that bad) and Jeremy just agreed. It does sound as though she was trying to influence him because maybe she was worried? Like I said before, when she talks about Brett, there does seem to be some jealousy. I don't believe Jeremy and Brett were anything more than friends - but I think Julie might have thought there were?

She said that Jeremy asked her why she didn't think that he and Brett were having a gay relationship. If Jeremy were actually having such a relationship with Brett he would not have asked her that.  In the meantime he didn't speak about Brett in the affectionate manner he spoke about Ray.

What she didn't like about Brett was that he was constantly with them so they did't have much alone time it is the age old story of "spouses" wanting more time to themselves with their loved one. They wanted to party everyday while she didn't. They probably acted like idiots around each other and brought out their immaturity even more and since together so much it means they acted that way constantly.  She didn't like that.  I had party animal friends but I would only hang out with them occasionally because you can only tolerate so much of that crap it gets old really fast and is just the same old.  That seems to be how she felt.  If you are dating one of the party animals that presents some real problems.       

[Jane]

She said that Jeremy asked her why she didn't think that he and Brett were having a gay relationship. If Jeremy were actually having such a relationship with Brett he would not have asked her that.  In the meantime he didn't speak about Brett in the affectionate manner he spoke about Ray.

What she didn't like about Brett was that he was constantly with them so they did't have much alone time it is the age old story of "spouses" wanting more time to themselves with their loved one. They wanted to party everyday while she didn't. They probably acted like idiots around each other and brought out their immaturity even more and since together so much it means they acted that way constantly.  She didn't like that.  I had party animal friends but I would only hang out with them occasionally because you can only tolerate so much of that crap it gets old really fast and is just the same old.  That seems to be how she felt.  If you are dating one of the party animals that presents some real problems.     

What she witnessed MAY have been an emotional infidelity that she felt wasn't a part of/being left out of. Sometimes it's easier to forgive a quick s!!!w because it involves less.

[lookout]

The way Jeremy and his friends were persecuted wouldn't have gone down too well today, as police called them poofs and queers.

[scipio_usmc]

What she witnessed MAY have been an emotional infidelity that she felt wasn't a part of/being left out of. Sometimes it's easier to forgive a quick s!!!w because it involves less.

"Emotional infidelity" usually features relying on someone else for emotional support.

[maggie]

What she witnessed MAY have been an emotional infidelity that she felt wasn't a part of/being left out of. Sometimes it's easier to forgive a quick s!!!w because it involves less.

I agree April, have always thought Julie struggled with the obvious closeness of Brett and Jeremy, she may have felt abandoned by Jeremy and felt that 3 was a crowd which is a very difficult situation.  Can understand how she may have felt angry and jealous.

[Jane]

"Emotional infidelity" usually features relying on someone else for emotional support.

Yeh, same sex platonic relationships CAN be intensely powerful. Things can get shared that aren't always shared with opposite sex partners. It tends not to be the case with successful and powerful men. It's been my experience that they tend to see other males as potential rivals as opposed to friends and don't feel able to reveal what they see as weaknesses. Conversations rarely touch on intimate topics.

[maggie]

Yeh, same sex platonic relationships CAN be intensely powerful. Things can get shared that aren't always shared with opposite sex partners. It tends not to be the case with successful and powerful men. It's been my experience that they tend to see other males as potential rivals as opposed to friends and don't feel able to reveal what they see as weaknesses. Conversations rarely touch on intimate topics.

I remember Brett stating that Jeremy was very up and down, happy and then shedding tears, of course it depends if you believe him guilty then Brett may have been playing the game along with him but if innocent it may have been that Jeremy found Brett less intrusive than Julie may have been ?

[Jane]

I remember Brett stating that Jeremy was very up and down, happy and then shedding tears, of course it depends if you believe him guilty then Brett may have been playing the game along with him but if innocent it may have been that Jeremy found Brett less intrusive than Julie may have been ?

And it possibly had to do with what he was taking or drinking!!! However, it's likely that Brett had a more acceptable approach than Julie, to whatever his mood was.

[scipio_usmc]

I agree April, have always thought Julie struggled with the obvious closeness of Brett and Jeremy, she may have felt abandoned by Jeremy and felt that 3 was a crowd which is a very difficult situation.  Can understand how she may have felt angry and jealous.

That's not a feeling of emotional infidelity though which features people upset their loved ones turn to others for emotional comfort instead of turning to them.

It's more of a situation of her feeling this scumbag who her significant other was partying with day and night was making him act immaturely all the time and preventing him from spending time properly wooing her.

Oddly enough since I refused to party all the time with my party animal friends their girlfriends/fiance's would turn to me with their problems which included complaining about how immature they were and wanting to go party with their buds instead of spending more time alone with them.  It cuts the other way too, men complaining about women who always want to party with their girlfriends instead of spending time alone with them.

there are only 2 things that happen when these conflicts happen-

1) they break up

2) the partier decides to give up the party lifestyle because they don't want to lose their love done.


Most of the time the former happens, far down the road partiers will finally grow up and realize what they lost and regret it.

A few girls I know are now in their 40s want to find a nice guy to settle down with but are having a hard time.  For 2 decades they passed up the nice guys for wild funloving guys who they just messed around with.  The nice guys either are already taken, got used to being single and like it and no longer want to marry or are at the stage where now they decided to try playing the field since they passed it up when young.

Jeremy didn't party enough when young for his tastes he killed his family so he could party every night. Julie didn't want that she wanted him to grow up. It is obvious why their relationship ended. The murders put a strain on their relationship not just because of the horrible nature of it, but because of the freedom to party all day and night that resulted.

 

 


 

[maggie]

That's not a feeling of emotional infidelity though which features people upset their loved ones turn to others for emotional comfort instead of turning to them.

It's more of a situation of her feeling this scumbag who her significant other was partying with day and night was making him act immaturely all the time and preventing him from spending time properly wooing her.
 

That's a matter of opinion surely? 
As I said it depends whether JB was innocent and guilty and you are obviously looking at it from a guilty perspective but if innocent it would have been a different situation, surely?

[Jan]

I agree April, have always thought Julie struggled with the obvious closeness of Brett and Jeremy, she may have felt abandoned by Jeremy and felt that 3 was a crowd which is a very difficult situation.  Can understand how she may have felt angry and jealous.

People can be very jealous of relationships even if they are platonic.