Familiar Portrait?

[Caroline]

I can help you out with that, it came from the 'Official' JB website. See here:
jeremybamber.org/jeremy-bamber/

Once again, everyone is lying except Jeremy! 

[lookout]

Does it not state that it ISN'T an account ? So therefore not to be taken as fact ?

I haven't read what it says-----------just the preface.

[nugnug]

it say acounts of people who knew him so just there opinions really.

[lookout]

That's what I took it as too,nugs. Jumping the gun is favourite here.

[Caroline]

Does it not state that it ISN'T an account ? So therefore not to be taken as fact ?

I haven't read what it says-----------just the preface.

What 'it' are you talking about?

[lookout]

What 'it' are you talking about?

Self evident. The PREFACE. Whatever's written beneath it,is someone else's account,not that which is written in document form.

[Caroline]

Self evident. The PREFACE. Whatever's written beneath it,is someone else's account,not that which is written in document form.

Written beneath what? I'm not trying to be funny, I honestly don't know what you and Nugs were referring to?

[lookout]

Written beneath what? I'm not trying to be funny, I honestly don't know what you and Nugs were referring to?

Oh dear,I'm sure one isn't that thick. " IT ",meaning the information written by someone's own opinion. " IT'S " their own opinion which isn't documented. Their own version in other words.
That which is written beneath the preface.

[Caroline]

Oh dear,I'm sure one isn't that thick. " IT ",meaning the information written by someone's own opinion. " IT'S " their own opinion which isn't documented. Their own version in other words.
That which is written beneath the preface.

No Lookout, I am NOT thick at all, if your posts were legible I wouldn't need to ask what the hell it is that you're talking about. I wasn't rude to you but if you want to go down that road I can reciprocate! I simply asked you a question to clarify WHAT INFORMATION you were referring to because your post was a random quote and made no sense (nothing new there!!  ).

[Steve_uk]

"The case is littered with myths and circumstantial evidence" is a quote I think we could all agree on. There doesn't seem to be one piece of incontrovertible incriminating evidence after all Mike and Scipio's ding-dong battles with the silencer,the ammunition spilled out onto the blue and white chequered worktop,the telephone call and of course Julie's evidence to put this case to bed. If the relatives did tamper with evidence to secure a conviction then Jeremy understandably is not going to admit his guilt. He doesn't react to a death whether he caused them or not because he always has been frozen emotionally and I doubt now after 30 years he will allow anyone to get close to him again to uncover the abominable truth.

[lookout]

 I don't think for one minute that anyone will own up/agree to " myths and circumstantial evidence ".

The reason Jeremy " doesn't react to death " is simply that he didn't cause the deaths of 5 people. I certainly wouldn't say he was emotionally frozen either. His life has been on hold for the past 30 years and the only route he can take to feel his emotions is by writing, and studying the reams of documents that he has.
His blogs which appear occasionally are mainly emotional,about his past,as that's all he has and I imagine he does a lot of thinking as well,which is all he can do being couped up.
As for the truth,he's certainly not going to know that if he didn't do it is he ? 

[Jane]

"The case is littered with myths and circumstantial evidence" is a quote I think we could all agree on. There doesn't seem to be one piece of incontrovertible incriminating evidence after all Mike and Scipio's ding-dong battles with the silencer,the ammunition spilled out onto the blue and white chequered worktop,the telephone call and of course Julie's evidence to put this case to bed. If the relatives did tamper with evidence to secure a conviction then Jeremy understandably is not going to admit his guilt. He doesn't react to a death whether he caused them or not because he always has been frozen emotionally and I doubt now after 30 years he will allow anyone to get close to him again to uncover the abominable truth.

Steve, I absolutely concur. I seem to recall one of your oft used quotes being about "a balance of probabilities" which I think is correct. It's more that possible that Mike and Scipio know far more about what they're talking about than do the rest of us. If the relatives did tamper with evidence, Jeremy would certainly know, and impotent to do anything about it, would, I imagine, be seething. I can't disagree with your assessment of him as being emotionally frozen -although we would possibly NOT agree on all the potential reasons for it. Like you, I we we are unlikely to hear the truth from him.

[Steve_uk]

I wonder where the emotion was as a child: the partition from his natural mother,his failure to bond with Nevill and June,his experiences at Gresham's,where the one male he did ever confide in led to him being labelled as "The Bastard" and later the only female he entrusted his life to betrayed him,his experience growing up with Sheila and watching her deteriorate in front of his very eyes,his urge to flee at all cost and the desire for human companionship so strong he succumbed to seduction by nonentity Brett,then there was Suzette who may have been the love of his life and with whom he did finally find some stability but who went back to her husband..it may have been Brambles the dog whom he only really cared about and when he died his emotion was buried alongside..

[Jane]

I wonder where the emotion was as a child: the partition from his natural mother,his failure to bond with Nevill and June,his experiences at Gresham's,where the one male he did ever confide in led to him being labelled as "The Bastard" and later the only female he entrusted his life to betrayed him,his experience growing up with Sheila and watching her deteriorate in front of his very eyes,his urge to flee at all cost and the desire for human companionship so strong he succumbed to seduction by nonentity Brett,then there was Suzette who may have been the love of his life and with whom he did finally find some stability but who went back to her husband..it may have been Brambles the dog whom he only really cared about and when he died his emotion was buried alongside..

WHOA!!! Steve, THAT is a real tear jerker. You've done a fantastic job of making me feel the pain and loneliness of a little boy who was TOLD where he was going to fit but didn't feel it OR perhaps you just made me recall how it was for me.

If his emotions hadn't become retarded by the time he was sent to Greshams, he would have felt guilty if he realized that he couldn't be the child his parents expected him and would probably have thought that this was why they were sending him away. Brambles MAY have been his only source of unconditional love. I'm inclined to think it didn't come from his parents.We ARE talking about a life time here -I'm very aware that I'm only -barely- skimming the surface. It took me MANY years to become the person I should have been -it's still a work in progress :D- I was told that what it had taken me 40+ years to learn, I wouldn't be able to UNlearn in 40 weeks. It was an effort which was MORE than worth it. Would I be able to say this had my emotions be REpressed? I very much doubt that I'd have seen the need.

[Alias]

Why can´t parents just accept and love the children they are lucky to get unconditionally? Breaks my heart to hear about children who have felt unloved by their parents.
This isn´t just the case with adopted children, in my family two sisters were accepted and loved, I was one of the lucky ones, the third, not so much. It has affected her so incredibly much.