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Offline lookout

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« Reply #375 on: May 25, 2015, 03:29:PM »
Has anyone read the background ?







According to the DM,he struggled with loneliness and depression possibly after his parents split up. Then he struggled with his mother's alcoholism.
He already has a criminal record,but for what,isn't yet known. He would fly into rages at home and punch holes in the doors and at the walls. Mmmmm.
He didn't get on at work and was also unlucky with women. A loner a lot of the time.
One very angry man I'd say,yet police " don't think he poses a danger ?" Famous last words said by someone else. ::)

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« Reply #376 on: May 25, 2015, 03:54:PM »






According to the DM,he struggled with loneliness and depression possibly after his parents split up. Then he struggled with his mother's alcoholism.
He already has a criminal record,but for what,isn't yet known. He would fly into rages at home and punch holes in the doors and at the walls. Mmmmm.
He didn't get on at work and was also unlucky with women. A loner a lot of the time.
One very angry man I'd say,yet police " don't think he poses a danger ?" Famous last words said by someone else. ::)


Lookout, believe me, I appreciate that this is a difficult one to call. With the luxury of hindsight he posed a very great danger and it resulted in yet another tragedy. However, I wonder how many people had believed -and testified- that he DIDN'T. We have no idea of how emphatic was his mother when she complained about his rages -DID she complain about them, or did she, like your friend with the difficult daughter -even you, on your friend's behalf and maybe, like the Bamber's- prefer to keep it private? It seems that she may have had her own problems to contend with.

We know that police aren't qualified to make mental health assessments so someone above them must have deemed him to be safe but once again I'm getting a sense of the possibility of various agencies not being in communication with each other. It's easy to point fingers when things go wrong and I feel perfectly certain that he wouldn't have been allowed to roam around had he been considered dangerous -although it's up for grabs as to what would have been done with him had it been the case- on the other hand there is nothing the police can do about a potentially dangerous person until or unless they do something which confirms that they are so, by which time, of course, it's often too little, too late.

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« Reply #377 on: May 25, 2015, 03:59:PM »





Nothing desperate about me at all I'm afraid,even though I expect remarks like that. ;)

Good! I never like to disappoint  :P ;)
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« Reply #378 on: May 25, 2015, 06:14:PM »
I don't know what to make of it. I'll wait until there's more information when he's caught.

This is quite close to where I live - information is gradually coming out - seems he did suffer from depression and on social media was saying he was finding it hard to cope. And yes it has been said - but not yet verified that his mother was an alcoholic - so lots more information to come out yet I expect.

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« Reply #379 on: May 25, 2015, 06:15:PM »
He's been found dead.
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« Reply #380 on: May 25, 2015, 06:16:PM »
think the guy had been found dead in a wood somewhere in Oxford.

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« Reply #381 on: May 25, 2015, 06:22:PM »
think the guy had been found dead in a wood somewhere in Oxford.

Not surprised to be honest.


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« Reply #382 on: May 25, 2015, 06:47:PM »
 No,it doesn't surprise me either. His mind must have been all over the place. Depression does kill,one way or the other.

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« Reply #383 on: May 25, 2015, 06:52:PM »
Another tragedy with inherent socio-economic causes as an insecure young man disregarded in the workplace by conceited Oxford students moves in with his mother and potential father-in-law,yet not having the confidence to withstand the usurpers who share his mother's love,Derin too has to die at six years old as Jed reverts to his fantasy Wolverine character and fittingly chooses death with grace as he falls on his sword in a wooded rural landscape.
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« Reply #384 on: May 25, 2015, 07:22:PM »

Lookout, believe me, I appreciate that this is a difficult one to call. With the luxury of hindsight he posed a very great danger and it resulted in yet another tragedy. However, I wonder how many people had believed -and testified- that he DIDN'T. We have no idea of how emphatic was his mother when she complained about his rages -DID she complain about them, or did she, like your friend with the difficult daughter -even you, on your friend's behalf and maybe, like the Bamber's- prefer to keep it private? It seems that she may have had her own problems to contend with.

We know that police aren't qualified to make mental health assessments so someone above them must have deemed him to be safe but once again I'm getting a sense of the possibility of various agencies not being in communication with each other. It's easy to point fingers when things go wrong and I feel perfectly certain that he wouldn't have been allowed to roam around had he been considered dangerous -although it's up for grabs as to what would have been done with him had it been the case- on the other hand there is nothing the police can do about a potentially dangerous person until or unless they do something which confirms that they are so, by which time, of course, it's often too little, too late.







Speaking of which ( friend's daughter ) was kicking off this morning again,so when I heard her,and how angry she sounded,I went round to see if I could speak to her,but she was in her back garden and the outside gate was bolted from the inside so I just quietly called her name and she stopped ranting.
Her front door area,which is  half patterned glass, and looking through into the hall is a mish-mash of furniture used as a barricade. No sign of her little dog which barks at the least thing. Because I've seen the interior of the house,I'm at a loss what to do,if anything. I don't know how anyone on this earth can live in such a shambles. It's worse than a squatters place.
She isn't harming herself or others,just rants now and again,but the reason she won't come out of the house is because she thinks,or even knows she'll be arrested and sectioned.
My friend knows that the only time I'll call the police is if she comes knocking again about some escaped animal in the house,otherwise I can't really do anything.
She becomes violent if,and when she sees her mother. Her mother does contact her by phone as she feels obliged to with having her daughter ( arrangement by police and social services ) and they meet for coffee somewhere,but my friend remains on pins in case the daughter has an outburst,though I'd said that she wasn't likely to have a " turn " in public.

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« Reply #385 on: May 26, 2015, 08:46:AM »






Speaking of which ( friend's daughter ) was kicking off this morning again,so when I heard her,and how angry she sounded,I went round to see if I could speak to her,but she was in her back garden and the outside gate was bolted from the inside so I just quietly called her name and she stopped ranting.
Her front door area,which is  half patterned glass, and looking through into the hall is a mish-mash of furniture used as a barricade. No sign of her little dog which barks at the least thing. Because I've seen the interior of the house,I'm at a loss what to do,if anything. I don't know how anyone on this earth can live in such a shambles. It's worse than a squatters place.
She isn't harming herself or others,just rants now and again,but the reason she won't come out of the house is because she thinks,or even knows she'll be arrested and sectioned.
My friend knows that the only time I'll call the police is if she comes knocking again about some escaped animal in the house,otherwise I can't really do anything.
She becomes violent if,and when she sees her mother. Her mother does contact her by phone as she feels obliged to with having her daughter ( arrangement by police and social services ) and they meet for coffee somewhere,but my friend remains on pins in case the daughter has an outburst,though I'd said that she wasn't likely to have a " turn " in public.


Lookout, I can't but feel concerned. I wonder just how long you -and the girls' mother, who I believe NOT to be in the best of health, and are both, with respect, getting older- can hope to contain this problem. I can only hope that support for you both will be there at such a time it becomes necessary.

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« Reply #386 on: May 26, 2015, 09:49:AM »






Speaking of which ( friend's daughter ) was kicking off this morning again,so when I heard her,and how angry she sounded,I went round to see if I could speak to her,but she was in her back garden and the outside gate was bolted from the inside so I just quietly called her name and she stopped ranting.
Her front door area,which is  half patterned glass, and looking through into the hall is a mish-mash of furniture used as a barricade. No sign of her little dog which barks at the least thing. Because I've seen the interior of the house,I'm at a loss what to do,if anything. I don't know how anyone on this earth can live in such a shambles. It's worse than a squatters place.
She isn't harming herself or others,just rants now and again,but the reason she won't come out of the house is because she thinks,or even knows she'll be arrested and sectioned.
My friend knows that the only time I'll call the police is if she comes knocking again about some escaped animal in the house,otherwise I can't really do anything.
She becomes violent if,and when she sees her mother. Her mother does contact her by phone as she feels obliged to with having her daughter ( arrangement by police and social services ) and they meet for coffee somewhere,but my friend remains on pins in case the daughter has an outburst,though I'd said that she wasn't likely to have a " turn " in public.

Can you not call Social Services Lookout? It sounds like she needs help, even if she doesn't want it?  :-\ You could also call the RSPCA (anonymously if you wanted) and just say you're concerned for the little dog and explain why.
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Re: Familiar Portrait?
« Reply #388 on: May 27, 2015, 08:27:PM »
 It is sad as he didn't see the faces of his parents,he saw other faces during his psychotic attack which is exactly what happens.

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« Reply #389 on: May 28, 2015, 01:11:AM »
Another sad case

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3099469/Paranoid-factory-worker-stabbed-parents-death-frenzied-attack-psychotic-episode-smoking-cannabis-years.html

That shows that if they release people they should drug test them because government workers are always fooled. Someone like that who believed aliens took over his parents'  bodies should have been on actual medication not pot.
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