Who owned killer bullets?

[scipio_usmc]

Are you saying the chart I posted is a forgery?

I said it could contain the wrong information. Someone could have erroneously typed 35 grain instead of 37.5  It could have the right information but be from the 1960s or 1970s and not be relevant to the ammunition Nevill purchased.

While it is theoretically possible it is a forgery or intentionally doctored I doubt anyone (even you) would bother.  You seem more an opportunist than someone who would actually go through the effort of forging or doctoring it.

[scipio_usmc]

So it's in this magazine?

www.amazon.com/American-Rifleman-Britains-Imperial-Museum/dp/B005K8B9KW

That's what Mike says.

[guest154]

Is the book on Amazon UK? Easy to just buy the book and check.

[scipio_usmc]

Is the book on Amazon UK? Easy to just buy the book and check.

and ebay and probably in libraries if I try. It it turns out it isn't in there Mike will just make up that it was from somewhere else and will say it is still accurate.  I therefore didn't undertake the effort to spend $5 for it. The important issue is that it is not accurate. 

[guest154]

and ebay and probably in libraries if I try. It it turns out it isn't in there Mike will just make up that it was from somewhere else and will say it is still accurate.  I therefore didn't undertake the effort to spend $5 for it. The important issue is that it is not accurate.

Yeah I wouldn't chase it up if I were you to be honest. I think you've done/shown enough that you don't need to.

[scipio_usmc]

Well I can confirm that the information claimed to be from this magazine, is as expected,  false. It isn't.

Perhaps it's in the May 1985 edition? 

In all probability Mike has no idea where it is from. It is a photocopy someone else obtained that ended up among documents in Mike's possession and since on its face there is no indication where it is from he has no clue. But rather than admit that he just makes up a source. Will he admit he doesn't know or just make up another one?  I expect the latter which is one reason I didn't bother looking for it.  Props to you for going the extra step and forcing his hand or less likely maybe we will get lucky and he will simply avoid the issue and these claims instead resorting to some of his classics.

[mike tesko]

Here is the bill of sale by Radcliffes, to Ralph Bamber of the anshuzt rifle, parker hale silencer and 500 rounds of .22 ammunition:-

[mike tesko]

Could someone please identify what make or type of Eley bullets are being referred to here?

Does it say - ".22 ELEY Subsonic"?

[mike tesko]

Now, concentrate on what I am about to say next, because an innocent mans liberty may hang in the balance based upon what I am about to say next...

Listen up:-

RALPH BAMBER DID NOT PURCHASED ELEY .22LR BULLETS FROM RADCLIFFE THE GUN DEALOR ON THE 30TH NOVEMBER 1984 (FACT), he purchased 500 rounds of ELEY .22 subsonic ammunition...

If Ralph had purchased ELEY .22LR ammunition, the gun dealor would have been legally obliged to record that fact in his dealers register, and also on Rallph Bambers firearms certificate:-

[scipio_usmc]

Now, concentrate on what I am about to say next, because an innocent mans liberty may hang in the balance based upon what I am about to say next...

Listen up:-

RALPH BAMBER DID NOT PURCHASED ELEY .22LR BULLETS FROM RADCLIFFE THE GUN DEALOR ON THE 30TH NOVEMBER 1984 (FACT), he purchased 500 rounds of ELEY .22 subsonic ammunition...

If Ralph had purchased ELEY .22LR ammunition, the gun dealor would have been legally obliged to record that fact in his dealers register, and also on Rallph Bambers firearms certificate:-

The 22 Subsonic he recorded is a variety of 22LR ammunition.  Your whole premise is built upon 2 lies:

1) the lie that the 22 Subsonic sold was not a 22LR cartridge (which is nonsense because the gun sold to Nevill was chambered in 22LR os that is what he would have purchased not 22 short or some other 22 caliber plus the remaining 300 plus unfired cartridges were all 22LR not some other caliber that would have been worthless to the family;

2) the lie that Fletcher determined the bullets and cases used in the murders were something other than those test fired though he states they were identical to those test fired. 

Your lies are worthless.

[mike tesko]

I don't tell lies, I expose them...

Bamber has been convicted based upon the premis that the 25 shots which killed 5 members of his family, was ELEY .22LR ammunition purchased by his father on the 30th November 1984, and freely available at the scene for use by the killer, when it now turns out some 30 years later, that Ralph Bamber had purchased and been sold a different type of ELEY .22 subsonic ammunition.  I have posted up the relevant documentary evidence proving that which I am speaking about. Bamber has been wrongly convicted by a reliance upon dodgy bullets...

[scipio_usmc]

I don't tell lies, I expose them...

Bamber has been convicted based upon the premis that the 25 shots which killed 5 members of his family, was ELEY .22LR ammunition purchased by his father on the 30th November 1984, and freely available at the scene for use by the killer, when it now turns out some 30 years later, that Ralph Bamber had purchased and been sold a different type of ELEY .22 subsonic ammunition.  I have posted up the relevant documentary evidence proving that which I am speaking about. Bamber has been wrongly convicted by a reliance upon dodgy bullets...

The evidence you posted simply proves that Nevill purchased 500 rounds of Eley 22LR subsonic Hollow points.  Apart from you this was never in dispute you are the only one who has in the past tried claiming otherwise.  In fact as we speak you are trying to pretend it wasn't 22LR.

You have produced zero evidence that some of the 25 casings and bullets were anything other than Eley 22LR subsonic Hollow points.  You keep suggesting Fletcher declared some of the ammunition used to kill the victims was something other than Eley 22LR subsonic Hollow points but such claim is false and that is why you can't produce any evidence to back up your allegation.

[mike tesko]

I have already proved my point, there is nothing you can make up to alter or change the truth of the matter, somebody has messed up bad by using these dodgy set of bullets to make this into a one gun crime with use of one batch of Eley cartridges - but the cat is out of the bag now, because Ralph didn't purchase that type of ELEY .22LR ammunition, he purchased and was sold 500 rounds of ELEY .22 subsonic ammunition...

Well, well, well...

[scipio_usmc]

I have already proved my point, there is nothing you can make up to alter or change the truth of the matter, somebody has messed up bad by using these dodgy set of bullets to make this into a one gun crime with use of one batch of Eley cartridges - but the cat is out of the bag now, because Ralph didn't purchase that type of ELEY .22LR ammunition, he purchased and was sold 500 rounds of ELEY .22 subsonic ammunition...

Well, well, well...

All you proved is that Nevill purchased 500 rounds of Eley 22LR Subsonic Hollow Points but others proved that already and such was not in doubt.  Your controversial allegations though you failed to provide any evidence for- you provided zilch to establish any of the ammunition used in the murders was not Eley 22LR Subsonic Hollow Points.

[mike tesko]

All you proved is that Nevill purchased 500 rounds of Eley 22LR Subsonic Hollow Points but others proved that already and such was not in doubt.  Your controversial allegations though you failed to provide any evidence for- you provided zilch to establish any of the ammunition used in the murders was not Eley 22LR Subsonic Hollow Points.

No, I did not prove that Ralph had purchased, or be sold 500 rounds of ELEY .22LR subsonic hollow points, that is you attributing your explanation to me which is the same ploy you keep using over and over again. I have proved that Ralph was not sold, and he did not purchase any ELEY .22LR ammunition at all, quite the opposite in fact, I have established by a reliance upon the official documentation required by British firearms law, that Ralph Bamber was sold and purchased 500 rounds of ELEY .22 subsonic ammunition on the 30th November 1984, and that he never purchased any other type of ELEY ammunition at all...

You can try to twist the truth as much as you like, because it will not do you any good...