it is the truth, Ralph phoned police and told them that his daughter had got one of his guns, Jeremy was not Ralph Bambers daughters
There is zero evidence of a call from Nevill to police, had that actually happened Taff Jones and others would have cited it the first few weeks when they were blaming Sheila. Furthermore, Jeremy would have been told when he phoned that they already knew and had already dispatch police. Jeremy called police not Nevill.
Yes, it is credible, and the location of the double marked cartridge case in various rooms of the house tend to show support for the reason why Ralph phone Jeremy, then the police. Indeed, Sheila had got one of Ralph's guns by that stage, and running amok going berserk
The double marked casings were in different loadings not consecutive. Moreover, Jeremy said the gun was empty. Perhaps most important though of all cartridges left in the gun would have had only 1 loading mark not 2. You seem to think that if you just repeat the same mantra that somehow reality will change. Bullets loaded in the magazine some time prior to the day he allegedly got it out would have marks of being loaded once. The reason the cartridges had marks of being loaded 2 times is because they were NOT LEFT in the magazine they were removed and Jeremy loaded them a second time.
IF his claims were true he double loaded the top cartridge in the magazine so that would mean only 4 had been double loaded prior. So even if we ignored that he said the weapon was empty and ignore the reality that cartridges left in the magazine would only have markings indicating they were loaded once and pretend that they would have marks indicating being loaded twice that would mean only 4 could have been in the weapon when Jeremy picked it up. This means there should have been only 29 cartridges left not 30. So there is still a discrepancy and worse because the claim was changed of the gun already being loaded when found Jeremy's explanation of why he needed to take the bullets into the kitchen to load the magazine falls apart so no bullets should have been there at all.
Yes, she did, she shot the others with bullets loaded into two different weapons, albeit her fingerprints were found upon four different weapons at the scene (1) the anshuzt rifle, (2) the bolt action rifle, (3) the BSA air rifle, and (4) the 12 bore shotgun
The bolt action rifle wasn't even there at the time of the murders (even Jeremy said AP took it with him when he left) and all the casings were matched to the Anschutz. A single print from Sheila was found on the Anschutz and it wasn't in the areas where there had been wet blood. There is zero evidence of her prints on any other weapon.
Such evidence did exist on her nightdress and various parts of her body
The only blood on her body and clothing was her own. Her gown had no soot or GSR nor did her hands. She didn't have any visible lead deposits on her hands like would be the case if she had loaded the bullets or even slightly higher levels of lead though she would have had significantly higher levels.
"In the meantime Jeremy's claims about leaving the gun out don't pan out"
He told the truth
That's what you say but your evidence falls flat and basically consists of you revising history significantly including altering many of Jeremy's claims and pretending Nevill called police and pretending AP's rifle was there and was used...
"and then there is the moderator"
Yes. The sound moderator that Jones and Jones spoke to Jeremy about on the 9th August 1985, the day before the relatives supposedly found it
Another totally made up claim. That's is a bad sign for Jeremy's innocence that the only way you can support him is by making things up.
"and Julie's testimony" Mugford was coached by DS Jones of over 30 or more occasions before she was deemed fit to testifyn.
Her main account was provided in one of her early interviews. The other interviews were to search her home and to get clarification on particular points. If police had coached her then her testimony would have been that Jeremy admitted to killing them all himself not for police to make up a hitman and arrest him so he could later establish the hitman claim was false.
"Your claims about the double marked cases don't make a lick of sense"
Yes, they do. The 5 double marked cartridge cases, were fired consecutively from the anshuzt rifle during the discharge of the first full load of the gun.
The locations of the casings proves quite clearly that they were not fired consecutively. Furthermore they could not have all been consecutive since Jeremy claimed he double loaded the top cartridge and this accounts for 1 of the 5. So that only leave 4 twice loaded cartridges that could have been loaded in the magazine at the time he found the weapon. But he said it was empty and if it had not been empty as claimed then he would have had no reason to get the box of bullets out at all let alone take them to the kitchen to load the magazine. In any event had someone used the weapon and left 4 bullets int he magazine they would have had marks indicating they were loaded only once. To have double loading marks they could not have been left inside it. On every single level your claims fall apart and if you kept pushing this crap anyway no wonder Jeremy decided to cut bait.
if there had been bullets left in the rifle they would have been only loaded once"
That is your opinion, but you can't prove anything you have been saying
It is not my opinion it is a fact. If someone loaded the magazine and left 4 rounds inside then those 4 rounds would have been loaded once and would have markings indicating they were loaded only once.
In the meantime Jeremy says the magazine was empty and that is why he took the bullets into the kitchen which he would not have done if the gun had been loaded already. So your alteration not only still results in an extra bullet left int he kitchen but even worse results in 30 extra bullets left in the kitchen because he would not have had any reason to get the box out at all. You not only keep making up things and your made up things not only make no sense but worse screw Jeremy even more instead of helping.
"Your theory falls apart right there (they would not have had double loading marks)"
if loaded twice into the ammunition magazine, there would have been two sets of magazine marks,
But your account is that they were loaded once and instead of being removed they were left in the magazine and were still in the magazine when Jeremy picked up the weapon to pursue rabbits with it. You are asserting they were loaded once. If your claims were true they would not have two sets of loading marks.
which is what was found on 5 of the 25 cartridge cases, so the facts speak for themselves.
Yes the facts do speak for themselves the fact 5 had marks indicating they were loaded twice means they were not left in the Anschutz as you claim. They were loaded and unloaded thus leaving one set of marks and then when Jeremy loaded them for the murders they got the second set of marks. But if we treat Jeremy's claims as true then he loaded the top cartridge in the magazine 2 times the evening of the murders so only 4 were unloaded previously and then loaded a second time for the murders.
what you are saying contains half truths, which has been changed in interpretation to try and cast doubt upon Jeremy's account
No I am posting the truth while you post untruths including you falsely claiming Jeremy found the gun loaded already and that he didn't tip out the bullets onto the counter. These are not what he told police nor what he claimed at trial. You change things to suit your agenda. In the meantime you ignore the ramifications of the change. The change to the gun being found loaded already takes away any purpose for Jeremy to get out a box of bullets and there is still too many bullets anyway because Jeremy claimed he double loaded one of them himself.
If someone loaded the Anschutz and left 4 of the cartridges in the magazine then these cartridges would have been loaded once and each have a single loading marks. This is the truth not something made up.
You never bother to look at the full picture when you make things up. If you did then you would be asserting that 5 of the 20 casings with a SINGLE SET of load marks had been left in the weapon. That is at least scientifically possible. Naturally there is nothing to support that though Jeremy himself asserts otherwise and if the gun had been loaded he would have no need to get out a box of bullets but at least the claim is possible from a scientific standpoint. Someone loading 4 bullets into the magazine and leaving them there would scientifically result in 1 set of marks.
"Furthermore by his account claimed he double loaded the top round in the magazine which leaves only 4 to have been in existence prior"
the one you refer to was not necessarily automatically loaded into the breech of the rifle, but may have been loaded manually. If this happened, and Jeremy removed it from the rifles chamber and placed it into the magazine, there would only be one set of magazine marks on that round, not two, so you need to sit down
I am going by Jeremy's claims. Jeremy claims he loaded 10 rounds, chambered a round, ended up not firing because the rabbits were gone so he released the magazine, ejected the round from the chamber and stuck it back in the magazine. Can you count? That features him claiming to have loaded it in the magazine twice. How would it have only one set of loading marks if he loaded it twice into the magazine as he claims? Are you having a brain fart or are you just intentionally twisting and refusing to admit the obvious?
"your stretching still fails to account for how there could have been 30 rounds left in the kitchen"
20 rounds missing from the box of 50, leaving 30, 25 shots fired, hence why Jones and Jones questioned Jeremy about these on the 9th August 1985
1 of the twice loaded shots Jeremy claims to have double loaded himself. That leaves only 4 that would have been double loaded before and 21 which had not been until Jeremy double loaded one of these. 50-21= 29 so that means even if they had been in the gun as you claim then that means 30 left is 1 too many rounds left in the kitchen.
In the meantime when Jones and Jones questioned Jeremy about hit he didn't say anything about there having been bullets in the gun already he could not come up with a lie to account for the problem. Changing his story at that point would create 4 problems:
1) changing your story makes it look like you are not honest
2) changing his story still leaves one cartridge too many
3) the changed story would be an obvious lie because bullets left int he magazine would have only 1 set of loading marks
4) the lie that the gun was already loaded eliminates any need for him to have gotten the box of bullets out at all. So now on top of all the other problems he has to come up with a new story of why he took out the bullets
He didn't realize a 5th problem would be that the location of the twice loaded casings would also prove he lied. The first 4 discouraged him from changing his story.
"They were not loaded consecutively your version of the order of the shootings is absurd and wrong."
No, it is a very simple explanation that fits the other known features of the investigation. The shooter moved rapidly from room to room, victi!m to victim, upstairs and downstairs, during which time 10 rounds were fired, supporting the case for Sheila being the shooter, not Jeremy
Only in your warped world where you pretend that bullets loaded once and left in a gun will have double loading marks and where you alter Jeremy's claims to suit yourself. You ignore that 4 bullets were fired at Nevill in the bedroom and make up that he was shot just once and stupidly make up that after shooting him once the shooter then ignored him further and let him go try to use the phone or grab a weapon to instead go kill the sleeping boys. ABSURD. Nevill having been shot only once would have gone to stop her from shooting her kids. Nevill's 4 shots in the kitchen were all in the head he wasn't shot other times in the kitchen before that.
"You intentionally ignore the 4 shots fired in the master bedroom at Nevill"
I draw attention to the act of vacating four exhibit references, so that 4 additional cartridge cases can be added to the main bedroom scenario. 3 of the 4 added cases, introduced so as to support the claim Ralph had been shot 4 times in the main bedroom, when he had potentially only shot on one occasion there. The 4th added cartridge case was introduced so that police could suggest that Sheila had been shot twice whilst in the main bedroom, but she was only shot once in the bedroom
Far from being a facts these are allegations and extremely stupid ones at that. You effectively argue that he suffered only 5 gunshot wounds and thus 3 casings were added later to the bedroom to pretend he got shot there. There is contemporaneous evidence of the 8 wounds and the casings being found at that time. You stupidly DRH1-4 were items taken from Julie's house in September and these were moved to the DRH/ 51-54 so they could then add 4 casings. How could items taken in September from Julie's house have been the first 4 exhibits? You don't even know how to lie well, why do you make up such stupid lies? You have zero evidence of anything being switched it is just made up claim but you could have made up something far more rational. Your lie about Sheila being shot in the kitchen, moved erroneously pronounced dead and shot again house later is even more stupid. The medical evidence is she could not have survived that long and police would have had no need to hide shooting her let alone any reason to move her body upstairs and the blood evidence in the bedroom proves she was shot there.
"If the gun had bullets in it already then he would not have gotten a box out to load it"
this is speculation, not factual
It is factual. Jeremy said that he was in a rush and wanted to get out there as fast as possible but the gun was empty so he had to load it first so grabbed a box of bullets and dumped them in the kitchen to enable him to load faster. You are the one not being factual you are changing what Jeremy said instead of accepting it and running with it. You thus are admitting his claims are not credible and are trying to alter them to try to make them more credible but instead you are just making this worse which is one of the reasons he probably ditched you.
"At the end of the day you waste a great deal of time rejecting Jeremy's own claims and all the available evidence and accomplish nothing in the process except looking like someone desperately spinning"
Long may my efforts continue unabated...
With such an attitude you would have piloted the Titanic right into the iceberg knowingly
All one can do is shake their head.
