The meeting with The Sun newspaper:

[maggie]

My argument has ALWAYS been,that if he'd been anything of a husband,he'd have gone out of his way to help Sheila. After all,there was money at the back of her in her parents, who would NOT have begrudged a halfpenny towards helping their daughter,.
CC could have done MORE to have helped her than he did,instead of turning his back on her,which IMO is unforgiveable---------------------so it's his conscience speaking,nothing else.

That is true Lookout but we all make mistakes in this life and Colin was young and obviously not very emotionally aware. 
I do think to have one child murdered never mind two is a massive nightmare which is impossible to ever recover from completely and Colin is no more guilty than many other young people who for whatever reason don't make good decisions or cope very well. 
It's likely Colin didn't want to marry Sheila and was coerced into it, possibly by both sets of parents.  Back then even in London, never mind the depth of Essex countryside, a couple expecting a baby were expected to marry whether they wanted to or not, it was still a time of shotgun weddings.  I would imagine Sheila was very difficult as she possibly already had unrecognised signs of schizophrenia, we know she had a violent temper.  I see what you're saying but I think Colin deserves more understanding.

[Jane]

My argument has ALWAYS been,that if he'd been anything of a husband,he'd have gone out of his way to help Sheila. After all,there was money at the back of her in her parents, who would NOT have begrudged a halfpenny towards helping their daughter,.
CC could have done MORE to have helped her than he did,instead of turning his back on her,which IMO is unforgiveable---------------------so it's his conscience speaking,nothing else.

Having fairly frequently been the recipient of Bamber largesse MAYBE he reached the point where he needed to be true to himself. It MAY have been that he decided that if he couldn't do it for love -be with Sheila- he wouldn't do it for money. Is the ONE person in Jeremy's world who, for whatever reason. you HAVEN'T condemned. Thus far it seems he's been surrounded by unworthy parents, unaccepting  relatives, jealous friends, a lying girlfriend, not to mention the whole EP force out to get him. What a VERY unlucky person.

[guest154]

What EVIDENCE did EP find to pin the murders on Jeremy ?

He told Julie about his intentions long before the night of the murders.
The phone call from his Dad shows it was either Sheila or Jeremy.
Sheilas blood in the moderator in the gun cupboard rules her out.
He knew how to enter the premises. That proves oppurtunity.

Denying it all doesn't make it go away. You've already proven that your source doesn't know the case when you made wild claims about Nevilles Pj top.

[Caroline]

What EVIDENCE did EP find to pin the murders on Jeremy ?

You have had this explained a million times but you just dismiss it. There isn't anything that anyone can say that will budge you and that's fine but there is nothing that will shift me from believing you are sailing up and down a well known river in Egypt and just can't (or won't) get off the boat!! 

[Caroline]

That is true Lookout but we all make mistakes in this life and Colin was young and obviously not very emotionally aware. 
I do think to have one child murdered never mind two is a massive nightmare which is impossible to ever recover from completely and Colin is no more guilty than many other young people who for whatever reason don't make good decisions or cope very well. 
It's likely Colin didn't want to marry Sheila and was coerced into it, possibly by both sets of parents.  Back then even in London, never mind the depth of Essex countryside, a couple expecting a baby were expected to marry whether they wanted to or not, it was still a time of shotgun weddings.  I would imagine Sheila was very difficult as she possibly already had unrecognised signs of schizophrenia, we know she had a violent temper.  I see what you're saying but I think Colin deserves more understanding.

Excellent post Maggie!

[Caroline]

Having fairly frequently been the recipient of Bamber largesse MAYBE he reached the point where he needed to be true to himself. It MAY have been that he decided that if he couldn't do it for love -be with Sheila- he wouldn't do it for money. Is the ONE person in Jeremy's world who, for whatever reason. you HAVEN'T condemned. Thus far it seems he's been surrounded by unworthy parents, unaccepting  relatives, jealous friends, a lying girlfriend, not to mention the whole EP force out to get him. What a VERY unlucky person.

Excellent post April!

[Caroline]

He told Julie about his intentions long before the night of the murders.
The phone call from his Dad shows it was either Sheila or Jeremy.
Sheilas blood in the moderator in the gun cupboard rules her out.
He knew how to enter the premises. That proves oppurtunity.

Denying it all doesn't make it go away. You've already proven that your source doesn't know the case when you made wild claims about Nevilles Pj top.

Yes but apart from all that - what evidence did EP have on Jeremy? 

[maggie]

Yes, there are times when you can't help rolling your eyes but, Colin believes all that stuff and if it helps him get through, I guess it's not all bad. Does make the book a bit of a pain though - but still worth a read.

I have no problem with spirituality but I felt if Colin grasped at a straw so tenuous his pain was so raw I would feel like a voyeur reading about it, however it seems that is just a one off.

[guest154]

Having fairly frequently been the recipient of Bamber largesse MAYBE he reached the point where he needed to be true to himself. It MAY have been that he decided that if he couldn't do it for love -be with Sheila- he wouldn't do it for money. Is the ONE person in Jeremy's world who, for whatever reason. you HAVEN'T condemned. Thus far it seems he's been surrounded by unworthy parents, unaccepting  relatives, jealous friends, a lying girlfriend, not to mention the whole EP force out to get him. What a VERY unlucky person.

Great points. 

Yes but apart from all that - what evidence did EP have on Jeremy? 

 

[lookout]

That is true Lookout but we all make mistakes in this life and Colin was young and obviously not very emotionally aware. 
I do think to have one child murdered never mind two is a massive nightmare which is impossible to ever recover from completely and Colin is no more guilty than many other young people who for whatever reason don't make good decisions or cope very well. 
It's likely Colin didn't want to marry Sheila and was coerced into it.  Back then even in London never mind the deoth of Essex countryside, a couple expecting a baby were expected to marry whether they wanted to or not, it was still a time of shotgun weddings.  I would imagine Sheila was very difficult as she possibly already had unrecognised signs of schizophrenia, we know she had a violet temper.  I see what you're saying but I think Colin deserves more understanding.

Maggie,it's probably that I've seen/met a lot of " Colins " in my line of work which makes me feel so bitter. I've obviously taken the sides of the patients in the past and have shared their tears too. It's something you don't forget,ever,especially,like Sheila,they think the world of their partners and are set for a lifetime----------------that doesn't happen.
I think of Sheila when she wanted " another go at her marriage ",thinking that she and Colin would get back together. That alone is earth shattering when it doesn't happen,and with some who can't hack it,it's the end of their lives. It's very very upsetting,but NOBODY understood.   

[Jane]

That is true Lookout but we all make mistakes in this life and Colin was young and obviously not very emotionally aware. 
I do think to have one child murdered never mind two is a massive nightmare which is impossible to ever recover from completely and Colin is no more guilty than many other young people who for whatever reason don't make good decisions or cope very well. 
It's likely Colin didn't want to marry Sheila and was coerced into it, possibly by both sets of parents.  Back then even in London, never mind the depth of Essex countryside, a couple expecting a baby were expected to marry whether they wanted to or not, it was still a time of shotgun weddings.  I would imagine Sheila was very difficult as she possibly already had unrecognised signs of schizophrenia, we know she had a violent temper.  I see what you're saying but I think Colin deserves more understanding.

I totally concur, Maggie.

[Caroline]

Maggie,it's probably that I've seen/met a lot of " Colins " in my line of work which makes me feel so bitter. I've obviously taken the sides of the patients in the past and have shared their tears too. It's something you don't forget,ever,especially,like Sheila,they think the world of their partners and are set for a lifetime----------------that doesn't happen.
I think of Sheila when she wanted " another go at her marriage ",thinking that she and Colin would get back together. That alone is earth shattering when it doesn't happen,and with some who can't hack it,it's the end of their lives. It's very very upsetting,but NOBODY understood.

No, you just think you have. You don't know Colin and have no idea what happened in their marriage. We don't even know that Sheila wanted to get back together with Colin. Someone mentioned that She asked him in the car on the way to WHF for a reconciliation - but this isn't true, it's another forum myth.

[nugnug]

none of us know him you dont him ethere.

[Jane]

Maggie,it's probably that I've seen/met a lot of " Colins " in my line of work which makes me feel so bitter. I've obviously taken the sides of the patients in the past and have shared their tears too. It's something you don't forget,ever,especially,like Sheila,they think the world of their partners and are set for a lifetime----------------that doesn't happen.
I think of Sheila when she wanted " another go at her marriage ",thinking that she and Colin would get back together. That alone is earth shattering when it doesn't happen,and with some who can't hack it,it's the end of their lives. It's very very upsetting,but NOBODY understood.

I recognize it's tough, Lookout, but after some of the people I'VE worked with where it's GLARINGLY obvious that they shouldn't be together all I can do is hope that they are adult enough to come to that realization themselves before any more hurt is inflicted. Sheila MAY have wanted !another go at her marriage" but if Colin had reached a place where he knew it would never work he was right to walk away. There is no such thing as fairy tales and we can't always make things right in the way people want.

[maggie]

Maggie,it's probably that I've seen/met a lot of " Colins " in my line of work which makes me feel so bitter. I've obviously taken the sides of the patients in the past and have shared their tears too. It's something you don't forget,ever,especially,like Sheila,they think the world of their partners and are set for a lifetime----------------that doesn't happen.
I think of Sheila when she wanted " another go at her marriage ",thinking that she and Colin would get back together. That alone is earth shattering when it doesn't happen,and with some who can't hack it,it's the end of their lives. It's very very upsetting,but NOBODY understood.

I agree as I said he probably should never have married her and vice versa but lots can say the same at least these days we have the freedom to escape an unhappy relationship more easily. However hard it is to watch someone's heartbreak because their relationship has broken down etc. we have to remember it's part of life.  We have no idea what their relationship was really like, he would possibly agree he was far from well behaved but what of Sheila?  we don't know what her behaviour in the relationship was like.   I believe Sheila's real tragedy was her dreadful, debilitating illness which was probably no one's fault.