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Offline lookout

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I see you have had 3 weetabix this today Adam  ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D






He's bound to be sick. ;D ;D ;D ;D

Offline Jan

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No according to MM, Wilkes and Jeremy himself.

BW said he taunted her with rats and by cycling around her.

Keep up.

No you keep up

BW said he was like a son to her - that's a bit odd don't you think ? Or perhaps she is not a good judge of character.



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I bet the son was pleased to know what she'd said at the time. :D

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I bet the son was pleased to know what she'd said at the time. :D

Good point.Never thought of that.

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No you keep up

BW said he was like a son to her - that's a bit odd don't you think ? Or perhaps she is not a good judge of character.

No you keep up.

I have asked you about five times for the mysterious summary you keep saying you posted of how Sheila committed the massacre.

I have even said I will apologise for calling you a liar when you do post it.

You were very quiet in my deadline thread. It is certainly not there.

If you can't say how Sheila committed the massacre, just change stance. A thank you would be nice to, as if it wasn't for me you would still be arguing against 17 sources on lockable windows.

'Only I know what really happened that night'.

Offline Jan

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No you keep up.

I have asked you about five times for the mysterious summary you keep saying you posted of how Sheila committed the massacre.

I have even said I will apologise for calling you a liar when you do post it.

You were very quiet in my deadline thread. It is certainly not there.

If you can't say how Sheila committed the massacre, just change stance. A thank you would be nice to, as if it wasn't for me you would still be arguing against 17 sources on lockable windows.

there are not 17 sources.

that is one fact . They are repeated information . And if there were ( which there are not ) why did the COA say it did not have to be proven.

you call me  a liar once more and you will be making yourself look very foolish.


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I'd also be interested in your scenario Jan, I know scenarios are only peoples opinion and we can never fully know if they are right or wrong - they are still interesting to see how a member sees things.

Offline Jan

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The facts are no one knows the sequence of death. There is no proof that all shots were made to each victim all at the same time.

So in other words all peoples theories are nothing but that - theories.

I will repeat what I said before - because despite what Adam says I gave a brief scenario - so he is the one in the wrong here.

I don't think a shot had been fired when NB made the call , I don't believe he thought she was about to shoot the family - perhaps as someone mentioned she was threatening to kill herself . He made the call or calls as she went upstairs for help thinking he would then try and talk her down - then he heard the shots - she had very quickly shot the twins and June as he ran upstairs into the bedroom she shot him and then he ran downstairs into the kitchen - hence his blood on the stairway . I believe he was shot again and  beaten after the shots or whilst he was badly incapacitated.

I have never assumed the entire sequence- I have never made my mind up about the second call - I have never assumed at what point she committed suicide - I do think it was possible she was still alive whilst the police were outside.

I do think the silencer is a red herring in some way.

I have been completely honest about the bits I am still asking questions about - hence my recent question about whether the jury were shown photos of her hands.

This is repeated because you asked me nicely :) - not for Adam.

He is telling lies because I have given my Scenario before .It is brief and undetailed because I am still asking questions and I don't assume I know more than the experts at the time who were not able to establish exactly what happened.




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By the way Adam this is a repeat of my post on March 2nd - and there were ones before that so you owe me a big apology - I can not abide posters who call others liars without proof - it is personal and uncalled for - so apologise.

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By the way Adam this is a repeat of my post on March 2nd - and there were ones before that so you owe me a big apology - I can not abide posters who call others liars without proof - it is personal and uncalled for - so apologise.

Adam you do owe Jan an apology she has made her thoughts on how Sheila murdered her family prior to tonight.

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The facts are no one knows the sequence of death. There is no proof that all shots were made to each victim all at the same time.

So in other words all peoples theories are nothing but that - theories.

I will repeat what I said before - because despite what Adam says I gave a brief scenario - so he is the one in the wrong here.

I don't think a shot had been fired when NB made the call , I don't believe he thought she was about to shoot the family - perhaps as someone mentioned she was threatening to kill herself . He made the call or calls as she went upstairs for help thinking he would then try and talk her down - then he heard the shots - she had very quickly shot the twins and June as he ran upstairs into the bedroom she shot him and then he ran downstairs into the kitchen - hence his blood on the stairway . I believe he was shot again and  beaten after the shots or whilst he was badly incapacitated.

I have never assumed the entire sequence- I have never made my mind up about the second call - I have never assumed at what point she committed suicide - I do think it was possible she was still alive whilst the police were outside.

I do think the silencer is a red herring in some way.

I have been completely honest about the bits I am still asking questions about - hence my recent question about whether the jury were shown photos of her hands.

This is repeated because you asked me nicely :) - not for Adam.

He is telling lies because I have given my Scenario before .It is brief and undetailed because I am still asking questions and I don't assume I know more than the experts at the time who were not able to establish exactly what happened.

This is not saying how Sheila did it. Which is why I do not recall it. What thread was it it ?

Anyway -

The first three paragraphs state what supporters always say when asked how Sheila did it - no one knows. Together with the fact the version will be brief, to avoid heavy criticism.

The obvious statement is then made that Neville phoned Jeremy before being shot. It was impossible to speak after the first shots, and he may be rather busy.

If Sheila was threatening to harm herself with the gun, I have no idea why Neville would not disarm her. Either by himself or with June's help. Or why he would choose to ring Jeremy. Neville had lots of good options. There are 40 facts why not to call Jeremy.

If she was threatening to kill herself, why would she suddenly change tack and shoot the twins and June ? They were all sleeping and not irritating her.

Why would Neville let her go upstairs with a loaded weapon ? He must have noticed, after all things were so serious he was phoning people.

After hearing shots Neville runs upstairs, unprotected. Gets within inches of Sheila but does not physically confront her upstairs. However he is shot four times, at least twice from close range and runs straight back downstairs.

The rest of you're post says how brief you're scenario is. It has to be. David's was much more detailed and open to criticism, which resulted in a new version having to be submitted.

My version is detailed. Each point explaining how it matches the crime scene.

Jan you must stop supporting Jeremy.
« Last Edit: May 06, 2015, 09:26:AM by Adam »
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Offline lookout

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Jan you must stop supporting Jeremy




Excuse me.?

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The facts are no one knows the sequence of death. There is no proof that all shots were made to each victim all at the same time.

The evidence establishes who were targeted first- June and Nevill in the master bedroom with 10 shots.

The evidence establishes after the gun was empty things proceeded to the kitchen where Nevill was beaten unconscious then the gun was reloaded and Nevill was shot fatally 4 times as he was passed out.

The evidence establishes the killer then reloaded the magazine fully and went upstairs with 11 shots using 1 in between June's eyes to make sure she was dead, 8 on the boys and 2 on Sheila.  It could have been in any order, boys, June, Sheila, June, Sheila boys...all we know is who the 11 shots were used on. 

This info is enough to seriously undermine the case against Sheila though and Jeremy's claims of having received a phone call.  Your refusal to admit it doesn't alter this at all. Living in denial doesn't in any way help establish Jeremy's innocence.
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Offline Jan

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It does not matter one jot - not one iota what my opinion is - because the proof of order of death was never established . Hence why I have always said scenarios are a waste of time - Adam still has not explained how Sheila laid down calmly and allowed her self to be shot.

If anyone had read my posts, I said I am still asking questions and at the moment you may consider me to be in denial - that's your prerogative. As it is my prerogative to think you are ( Adam and Scipio) both a bit unstable to be posting when you know 100% in your own minds that he is guilty. If you are on a mission please don't bother with me  :) 

I have plenty of other people from both guilty and innocent that I prefer to converse with , because they can debate in an adult way.


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The evidence establishes who were targeted first- June and Nevill in the master bedroom with 10 shots.


How can that be conclusive? I believe the twins where shot first, several authors and documentaries take this view also.