If confronted with a similar amount of incriminating evidence -

[lookout]

Any advance on the mountain of forensic evidence ?

[Alias]

As I said. He visited the house.

Haha, you grabbed that one! 
That is how you word it in English....
Anyway, I don´t say I visit my workplace.

[lookout]

this is what makes me really cross about you .You repeat things which you know are not proven as fact.

He did not have a month to dispose of the evidence. The family were watching like a hawk and the police were round his house immediately. Mentioning the blood on his clothes is pathetic - if you are old enough to shave I am willing to bet I would find blood on your clothes.
The court said it did not have to be proven the window could lock from the outside -therefore it was not proven. And even if it was it only shows opportunity not a forensic fact.

supposed evidence that Sheila did not do it is not forensic evidence that Jeremy did it.

Lets go back to the mountain of forensic evidence that Jeremy did it . It has been used against killers who have killed in their own homes before - so start again please.

RWB also had a private detective following him and Brett Collins.

[Jan]

He had been to the house on the day and handled the gun - fact

What we are looking for is proof he was in there in the crime scene at the time. Fact

[Adam]

Some of Adam's pronouncements are, shall we say, a little fluffy

You're 30 year belief of Jeremy's innocence was 'a little fluffy'.

[Adam]

Well according to Adam he was not speaking to his mother - so he must have visited the house as part of his work

No according to MM, Wilkes and Jeremy himself.

BW said he taunted her with rats and by cycling around her.

Keep up.

[Jane]

Haha, you grabbed that one! 
That is how you word it in English....
Anyway, I don´t say I visit my workplace.

I think we may both be overly pedantic here. I can't imagine that, after Jeremy moved out, WHF turned from being family home to place of work but on the other hand it would have been a rather strange place for him to be anyway, given Adam's assertion that he hadn't spoken to June since he was at school. One wonders how he managed to make all those financial demands on her. Maybe he wrote notes to her or asked Nevill to ask on his behalf.....................when he popped in to use the loo

[Alias]

I think we may both be overly pedantic here. I can't imagine that, after Jeremy moved out, WHF turned from being family home to place of work but on the other hand it would have been a rather strange place for him to be anyway, given Adam's assertion that he hadn't spoken to June since he was at school. One wonders how he managed to make all those financial demands on her. Maybe he wrote notes to her or asked Nevill to ask on his behalf.....................when he popped in to use the loo

Yes, that is a bit of a mystery!
Perhaps Adam has a suggestion as to how they communicated about all the money Jeremy sucked out of her.
Or how he managed to taunt her verbally (didn´t someone say that in the documentary), but without talking to her.

[Jan]

No according to MM, Wilkes and Jeremy himself.

BW said he taunted her with rats and by cycling around her.

Keep up.

So why are you saying he visited the house then. And what is your theory for why BW changed her opinion between statements?

[Jan]

No according to MM, Wilkes and Jeremy himself.

BW said he taunted her with rats and by cycling around her.

Keep up.

That's is not proof he was a murderer. Sheila was scared she was a danger to her sons . She told her doctor. We have no idea if Jeremy even knew that?

[scipio_usmc]

Baseless and unwarranted from a prosecutors perspective maybe. But substantial and adequate from a defence perspective.

He was only told he was going to die behind bars in 1994 before then he still protested while having a minimum 25 year sentence. I did not mean him protesting innocence is unusual more his case altogether hence the national interest.

Its most probable he is guilty but has suppressed all memory of it and convinced himself he is innocent and all the outside support over 30 years has contributed to this and still exacerbates the problem to this day. Had he confessed within the first 10 years of his sentence then undertook offender rehabilitation courses He would be eligible for parole now but I recon he would have to have served at leased 35-40 years before they consider to parole him. Its too late now thou he has gone too far down the rabbit hole. Staying inside the prison regime is in his best interest weather he knows it or not

Adequate and substantial in what defense perspective?  From the perspective of the defense attorney the claims are pitiful and have no evidentiary support.

I have repeatedly been asked to help put together a good basis to appeal.  I can't because the evidence publicly available provides no basis to put together any competent defense.  His claims all sack of desperation.

He has people still willing to help him because he is telling them he is innocent.  He hopes that eventually they can come up with something that will result in his conviction being vacated.  His hope is unrealistic given the facts and evidence but his choices are to give up all hope or try to keep hope alive.  Many people with no hope end up killing themselves or having someone else do it for them.  When you have nothign to live for it is far easier to attack someone so they kill you or to hang yourself etc.

[Adam]

I think we may both be overly pedantic here. I can't imagine that, after Jeremy moved out, WHF turned from being family home to place of work but on the other hand it would have been a rather strange place for him to be anyway, given Adam's assertion that he hadn't spoken to June since he was at school. One wonders how he managed to make all those financial demands on her. Maybe he wrote notes to her or asked Nevill to ask on his behalf.....................when he popped in to use the loo

Oh no if he wanted money, he would engage with June or Neville. According to RB he rather crudely demanded money from June in writing while abroad.

[lookout]

I suppose it made up for the massive drug bill that Sheila had owed.

[Adam]

this is what makes me really cross about you .You repeat things which you know are not proven as fact.

He did not have a month to dispose of the evidence. The family were watching like a hawk and the police were round his house immediately. Mentioning the blood on his clothes is pathetic - if you are old enough to shave I am willing to bet I would find blood on your clothes.
The court said it did not have to be proven the window could lock from the outside -therefore it was not proven. And even if it was it only shows opportunity not a forensic fact.

supposed evidence that Sheila did not do it is not forensic evidence that Jeremy did it.

Lets go back to the mountain of forensic evidence that Jeremy did it . It has been used against killers who have killed in their own homes before - so start again please.

He had amble time to dispose of his clothes. He went to Amsterdam, Burnham, London, Eastbourne and St Tropez. Did the relatives go as well ? I have closed this issue in another thread.

The window issue has also been closed. I gave you 17 sources. Most of them being you're demanded 'primary'.

There is a mountain of  'forensic' evidence Sheila did not commit the massacre. So Jeremy is guilty.

[Patti]

He had amble time to dispose of his clothes. He went to Amsterdam, Burnham, London, Eastbourne and St Tropez. Did the relatives go as well ? I have closed this issue in another thread.

The window issue has also been closed. I gave you 17 sources. Most of them being you're demanded 'primary'.

There is a mountain of  'forensic' evidence Sheila did not commit the massacre. So Jeremy is guilty.

I see you have had 3 weetabix this today Adam