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Offline Jan

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There is a mountain of forensic evidence. As well as a mountain of circumstantial evidence.

There is a motive, opportunity and no alibi. Together with JM's testimony, which is supported by several other testimonies.

what is the forensic evidence that JB is guilty?

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All you have done is point out the baseless allegations that Jeremy has resorted to in an effort to claim he is innocent.

The allegations amount to his desperately spinning to try to establish his innocence including the nonsense claim that Bonnett's log establishes Nevill called 999 after calling Jeremy.  Instead of accepting his lot he thinks he can spin his way out and desperately tried to do so.

Does he honestly believe he has a chance of spinning his way out or is he just deluding himself to give himself false hope so he can survive?  I think the former but it doesn't really matter either way.

His situation is not unusual.  A sizable number of prisoners maintain their innocence even though they are guilty thinking that if they do so they eventually might convince an appeal court and get out.  Many who do it don't have life terms.  They plan to tell everyone when they are out they are innocent and were wronged because they think it will be better that way for the than to admit guilt and say they changed and learned their lesson.  He's a lifer the only way he is getting out is if he can convince a court he is innocent.  So he has a reason to maintain his innocence. He wants people to help him try to get out.

Baseless and unwarranted from a prosecutors perspective maybe. But substantial and adequate from a defence perspective.

He was only told he was going to die behind bars in 1994 before then he still protested while having a minimum 25 year sentence. I did not mean him protesting innocence is unusual more his case altogether hence the national interest.

Its most probable he is guilty but has suppressed all memory of it and convinced himself he is innocent and all the outside support over 30 years has contributed to this and still exacerbates the problem to this day. Had he confessed within the first 10 years of his sentence then undertook offender rehabilitation courses He would be eligible for parole now but I recon he would have to have served at leased 35-40 years before they consider to parole him. Its too late now thou he has gone too far down the rabbit hole. Staying inside the prison regime is in his best interest weather he knows it or not




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I feel certain that there may be many others who have been adjudged psychopathic without having ever been seen. The fact that they can murder in cold blood remorselessly give a large clue to it.

Every Psychiatrist sais you simply cannot diagnose someone without examining him in person.

TV 'psychologists' will say anything on screen, Like Emma Kenny she is not even fully qualified apparently

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No, he visited.

No, he worked there. Bet my fingerprints are all over my work-place!

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Every Psychiatrist sais you simply cannot diagnose someone without examining him in person.

TV 'psychologists' will say anything on screen, Like Emma Kenny she is not even fully qualified apparently

It´s a good career booster.

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No, he worked there. Bet my fingerprints are all over my work-place!



No, he worked on the farm. He visited the house.

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No, he worked on the farm. He visited the house.

Well according to Adam he was not speaking to his mother - so he must have visited the house as part of his work :)

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Well according to Adam he was not speaking to his mother - so he must have visited the house as part of his work :)


Some of Adam's pronouncements are, shall we say, a little fluffy ;)

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No, he worked on the farm. He visited the house.

Farmhouse. I am sure he had work related dealings in the house - toilet visits for one.

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What would you call a man who murdered five members of his family; including to little boys?

evil beyond belief

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Bamber's footprints and fingerprints will be all over the house. He was a regular visitor. Either sneaking through windows to look at wills, or popping over for supper and a rabbit massacre. So no possible joy for the police here.

Bamber had a month to dispose of clothes. Even so John Hayward found human blood on Bamber's jacket, bathrobe and in his car.

The crime was committed by Sheila or Bamber. There is a mountain of forensic evidence showing it was not Sheila. Which automatically shows it was Bamber.

June being shot with her head on the pillow is forensic evidence pointing to Bamber rather than Sheila.

There is the silencer evidence which shows beyond doubt it was Bamber.

There is the found hack saw which Bamber admitted using to get in and out of WHF. But apparently not on the massacre night.

There is the discovery that the kitchen window could be banged shut from outside. 

No one can explain how Sheila could have committed the massacre to match the crime scene.


this is what makes me really cross about you .You repeat things which you know are not proven as fact.

He did not have a month to dispose of the evidence. The family were watching like a hawk and the police were round his house immediately. Mentioning the blood on his clothes is pathetic - if you are old enough to shave I am willing to bet I would find blood on your clothes.
The court said it did not have to be proven the window could lock from the outside -therefore it was not proven. And even if it was it only shows opportunity not a forensic fact.

supposed evidence that Sheila did not do it is not forensic evidence that Jeremy did it.

Lets go back to the mountain of forensic evidence that Jeremy did it . It has been used against killers who have killed in their own homes before - so start again please. 

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I'm waiting for a list of this mountainous heap of forensic evidence.

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Baseless and unwarranted from a prosecutors perspective maybe. But substantial and adequate from a defence perspective.

He was only told he was going to die behind bars in 1994 before then he still protested while having a minimum 25 year sentence. I did not mean him protesting innocence is unusual more his case altogether hence the national interest.

Its most probable he is guilty but has suppressed all memory of it and convinced himself he is innocent and all the outside support over 30 years has contributed to this and still exacerbates the problem to this day. Had he confessed within the first 10 years of his sentence then undertook offender rehabilitation courses He would be eligible for parole now but I recon he would have to have served at leased 35-40 years before they consider to parole him. Its too late now thou he has gone too far down the rabbit hole. Staying inside the prison regime is in his best interest weather he knows it or not

I agree with you on that - If he is guilty I do think he believes for whatever reason that he is innocent.

And if he got out on a technicality I think his life outside would be hell anyway .

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Farmhouse. I am sure he had work related dealings in the house - toilet visits for one.


As I said. He visited the house.

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A mountain of forensic evidence- would equate to - his foot prints in blood in the house

his fingerprints in blood in the house.

A trace of the victims blood on him - his clothes - the bike.

his fresh dirty foot print on the window sill as he got in or left.

His print in the blood on the silencer.

his hair or other fibres from his clothes on Sheila - left when he moved the body.

Finding his clothes that he had "hidden " on the way home.

etc etc.

Any of those Adam?