How would you react ?

[scipio_usmc]

So you are saying that Jeremy lied through his teeth about everything about Sheila and did not expect to be investigated?

And can you clarify your comment about Jeremy chose the weapon to shoot rabbits? So are you saying he would not know the power and that it would be so successful in killing humans ? I don't know quite what you are getting at?

Jeremy wanted a semi-auto that held a lot of rounds.  The only semi-auto he could get Nevill to buy for him was a .22LR rifle.  He had to claim he wanted a weapon to target shoot with and also to shoot vermin because those were the only potential uses at WHF.   He couldn't claim he was planning to hunt bears, deer etc that would require a larger caliber rifle or birds (shotguns).   The supposed use limited his options of why he could get Nevill to buy.  He could not openly say he wanted to kill humans or large mammals on the farm and thus desired a larger caliber semi-auto (which would be substantially more expensive anyway) and they already owned shotguns if he wanted to shoot birds.

He would have needed to illegally obtain a larger caliber weapon if he wanted one but he figured a .22 was all he could get and he figured it would be good enough.  How would Sheila obtain a larger caliber weapon anyway?  He needed to pretend she used a weapon found at the farm. Obtaining an illegal weapon that could not be traced back to him and leaving that on Sheila would have set off alarms. The crux of his frame job was that she went crazy and grabbed a weapon of opportunity that was at the farm.

[Alias]

You can't answer for Nugs or Maggie, but you seem to be able to read Colins mind?

Unlike many others, I am in the habit of using the words: probably, in my opinion, most likely, so stop accusing me.

[guest154]

Jeremy wanted a semi-auto that held a lot of rounds.  The only semi-auto he could get Nevill to buy for him was a .22LR rifle.  He wanted a weapon to target shoot with and also to shoot vermin.   He wasn't planning to hunt bears, deer etc that would require a larger caliber rifle or birds (shotguns).   The supposed use limited his options of why he could get Nevill to buy.  He could not openly say he wanted to kill humans or large mammals on the farm and thus desired a larger caliber semi-auto (which would be substantially more expensive anyway) and they already owned shotguns if he wanted to shoot birds.

He would have needed to illegally obtain a larger caliber weapon if he wanted it but he figured a .22 was all he could get and he figured it would be good enough.  How would Sheila obtain a larger caliber weapon?  He needed to pretend she used a weapon found at the farm.

I see his request for this weapon - as a smoking gun. Just horrific that he used Neville to buy the gun he would later kill the entire family with.

[Adam]

I see his request for this weapon - as a smoking gun. Just horrific that he used Neville to buy the gun he would later kill the entire family with.

Did Jeremy ask Neville to buy that rifle ?

Thought Neville would buy it anyway for himself. For the vermin on WHF. Jeremy didn't even have access to WHF, let alone the gun.

[maggie]

Others on this site choose to be objective instead of taking the biased view Alias and you choose to take.

The actual claims was that Sheila didn't like being preached to about her sinful lifestyle and that such preaching is why she would be unhappy after her visits.  Colin said that Sheila found God and was bonding with June over religion and they had a better relationship after he second hospital stay.

Biased Jeremy supporters look at conditions in the past instead of the situation at the time of the murders just like supporters keep raising the thoughts she had PRIOR to her 1983 treatment.  After that she had no delusions about her family.  Biased people ignore that and keep bringing up the delusions she had before her treatment to try to say this means she would have the delusions at the time of the murders. 

If people want to fool themselves with such it is no sweat off anyone else's back but when you try to use such as an argument to sway others it fails unless the people you are trying to sway are also biased and thus want to wear the same blinders.  An effective advocate can't afford to wear blinders because making arguments that are invalid will not work on a broad scale.

What are you talking about?  I was speaking about the night they died and I did not say it proved anything just that it happened and it did scipio.
I cannot be biased as I have stated over and over again that I don't know if JB is guilty or not or in your book does being biased mean anyone who doesn't agree with every word you write? 

[lookout]

We do not 100% know she had not fired a gun before - I thought Anne said Jeremy had tried to teach her?
Jeremy said she had gone out shooting with her father.

Weren't Sheila's prints found on the shotgun which was in the upstairs office ? So she was probably wavering that around before she grabbed the rifle which was easier to handle and was possibly more familiar with.
Do we know how Sheila's prints came to be on the shotgun ? Was that ever queried ?

[maggie]

Yes he would know them better than people here, he also believe Jeremy guilty & has said why he doesn't think Sheila is guilty. Wouldn't be a case of you three picking and choosing to give Colin credit one moment and then dismiss him in the other, would it?

What does 'you three' mean?  That was Alias' post not mine and I haven't even read Colin's book so I can hardly pick and choose anything from it. 

[maggie]

Unlike many others, I am in the habit of using the words: probably, in my opinion, most likely, so stop accusing me.

Exactly Alias. 

[guest154]

What does 'you three' mean?  That was Alias' post not mine and I haven't even read Colin's book so I can hardly pick and choose anything from it.

You claimed there were people here who claim to know more than Colin. You agreed with Alias' post.

What are you talking about?  I was speaking about the night they died and I did not say it proved anything just that it happened and it did scipio.
I cannot be biased as I have stated over and over again that I don't know if JB is guilty or not or in your book does being biased mean anyone who doesn't agree with every word you write? 

Of course you can be biased. You're quite clearly a supporter - your posts lean in favour of an innocent Jeremy.

[Jane]

So you are saying that Jeremy lied through his teeth about everything about Sheila and did not expect to be investigated?.............................................

I won't say that Jeremy "lied through his teeth" about EVERYTHING regarding Sheila -did he not say it was important to tell as much of the truth as possible?- but the truth about her made it eminently possible for him to add to it, that way when the was checked and found to be correct, the padding, too, would be accepted as truth.

[nugnug]

Weren't Sheila's prints found on the shotgun which was in the upstairs office ? So she was probably wavering that around before she grabbed the rifle which was easier to handle and was possibly more familiar with.
Do we know how Sheila's prints came to be on the shotgun ? Was that ever queried ?

well all the prints is that she touched it for some reason.

[Jane]

well all the prints is that she touched it for some reason.

Given that she was resident at WHF her prints were probably on many things.

[scipio_usmc]

Weren't Sheila's prints found on the shotgun which was in the upstairs office ? So she was probably wavering that around before she grabbed the rifle which was easier to handle and was possibly more familiar with.
Do we know how Sheila's prints came to be on the shotgun ? Was that ever queried ?

How many times does it have to be pointed out to you that no evidence was ever produced of her prints being found on any shotgun.  This allegation was made by Mike and other supporters who were unable to produce any evidence to prove it when challenged to do so. All Mike was able to produce was evidence that they found prints not that the prints were of sufficient quality to get a good impression that could be compared to know prints on file, let alone that the prints were matched to anyone.

[guest154]

well all the prints is that she touched it for some reason.

I don't think they were on the shotgun, not sure Lookouts claim is correct. Not sure where that comes from.

[guest154]

Oh, it's from Mike.