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Offline Caroline

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Re: How would you react ?
« Reply #135 on: April 17, 2015, 06:29:PM »
Quote from: SaraT on April 17, 2015, 06:22:PM
I was going to say the same thing. You wouldn't need to teach someone how to load a gun when they had probably seen others do it hundreds of times

This might be true if Sheila had watched Jeremy load the 'semi-automatic' hundreds of times, but she hadn't. The gun was pretty new and Sheila hadn't come across it before.
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Re: How would you react ?
« Reply #136 on: April 17, 2015, 06:30:PM »
Quote from: Jan on April 17, 2015, 06:28:PM
I am not sure now that is what happened . I don't think she did leave his flat - or if she did he must have followed her ( but then newspapers don't always report correctly)

Jan as you said it will all come out eventually but very sad indeed :(
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Re: How would you react ?
« Reply #137 on: April 17, 2015, 06:31:PM »
Quote from: Jan on April 17, 2015, 06:26:PM
its a theoretical post  but also JB has always said that Sheila did go shooting with her father sometimes and as I have said before I used  a gun a few times and my parents did not have a clue.( being subjective again) :)

I would be interested to see if all the farmworkers or gamekeepers were asked because if anyone had known they would.

Well he would, but no one else seems to remember it.
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Re: How would you react ?
« Reply #138 on: April 17, 2015, 06:35:PM »
Quote from: Jan on April 17, 2015, 06:26:PM
its a theoretical post  but also JB has always said that Sheila did go shooting with her father sometimes and as I have said before I used  a gun a few times and my parents did not have a clue.( being subjective again) :)

I would be interested to see if all the farmworkers or gamekeepers were asked because if anyone had known they would.

This is why I suggested a while back on another thread, probably locked or hidden now  ;D, where it might be worth suggesting JB disclose more material, as opposed to cherry picking what he wants in the public domain.
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Re: How would you react ?
« Reply #139 on: April 17, 2015, 06:35:PM »
Quote from: Caroline on April 17, 2015, 06:31:PM
Well he would, but no one else seems to remember it.
well I would not know as I have not seen all the relevant statements from the people who might know.

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Re: How would you react ?
« Reply #140 on: April 17, 2015, 06:35:PM »
Quote from: Jan on April 17, 2015, 06:26:PM
its a theoretical post  but also JB has always said that Sheila did go shooting with her father sometimes and as I have said before I used  a gun a few times and my parents did not have a clue.( being subjective again) :)

I would be interested to see if all the farmworkers or gamekeepers were asked because if anyone had known they would.


I think it depends. Again, this is personal, but I used to help a friend who made theatrical costumes. I can't tell you how many times I'd watched her set up her sewing machine. Came the day she asked ME to do it, I was clueless. TOTALLY inept. Exactly the same thing happened when my late partner gave me a computer complete with desk and chair. I'd spent HOURS watching him do work on his office computer but when it came to using mine I was HOPELESSLY lost......................I've improved slightly.
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Re: How would you react ?
« Reply #141 on: April 17, 2015, 06:36:PM »
Quote from: Jan on April 17, 2015, 06:35:PM
well I would not know as I have not seen all the relevant statements from the people who might know.

Cross posted  ;D
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Re: How would you react ?
« Reply #142 on: April 17, 2015, 06:39:PM »
Quote from: stephanie on April 17, 2015, 06:35:PM
This is why I suggested a while back on another thread, probably locked or hidden now  ;D, where it might be worth suggesting JB disclose more material, as opposed to cherry picking what he wants in the public domain.

But people had to be asked the question - in order to answer it . And perhaps the estate workers were not asked. ?

People said JB could not even shoot anything live on the farm - well it seems like he changed a lot to commit this crime ? Or perhaps not?

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« Reply #143 on: April 17, 2015, 06:41:PM »
Quote from: Jan on April 17, 2015, 06:39:PM
But people had to be asked the question - in order to answer it . And perhaps the estate workers were not asked. ?

People said JB could not even shoot anything live on the farm - well it seems like he changed a lot to commit this crime ? Or perhaps not?

You'd be surprised by the amount of intelligence the police actually collect. It doesn't nessarrily have to be in the form of a statement either, though I would have thought if there were statements taken supporting this, JB would have them.
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Re: How would you react ?
« Reply #144 on: April 17, 2015, 06:44:PM »
Quote from: stephanie on April 17, 2015, 06:41:PM
You'd be surprised by the amount of intelligence the police actually collect. It doesn't nessarrily have to be in the form of a statement either, though I would have thought if there were statements taken supporting this, JB would have them.

Only if they have been released by EP . And as we know they had refused to release a lot of the information . Their reasons were given in a reply to Bambergate.
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« Reply #145 on: April 17, 2015, 06:58:PM »
Quote from: Jan on April 17, 2015, 06:44:PM
Only if they have been released by EP . And as we know they had refused to release a lot of the information . Their reasons were given in a reply to Bambergate.

There appeared to be a lot of material missing in relation to a case I was familiar with, the police certainly hadn't disclosed anything in relation to the burglary that took place on the same night nor regarding the interview under caution in relation to the other lad who had also burgled. There appeared to be quite a lot missing. There were also disclosures made regarding what a lot of believed were alternative viable suspects and the serious organised crime squad....

All I'm suggesting is don't take JB's word for anything. There will be a list of all statements disclosed somewhere. There will most probably be witness statements not disclosed but if JB and his team didn't ask for these pre-trial he obviously won't have them.

However if there are statements missing which he believes can prove his innocence , the CCRC would have seen them and would have disclosed them if they could help him.
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Re: How would you react ?
« Reply #146 on: April 17, 2015, 06:59:PM »
Quote from: Jan on April 17, 2015, 06:44:PM
Only if they have been released by EP . And as we know they had refused to release a lot of the information . Their reasons were given in a reply to Bambergate.


Was not one of the reasons they gave to do with cost? I can see that they probably wouldn't be interested. I imagine that all those involved with the case are either enjoying their retirement or pushing up daisies. As far as they're concerned the case is done and dusted and raking through the paperwork is a waste of human resources and the public purse.
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Re: How would you react ?
« Reply #147 on: April 17, 2015, 07:12:PM »
It's an even bigger waste of resources,especially the public purse,to keep an innocent man in jail. Jeremy certainly won't be the only one either,except that he beats all records at 30 years so far.
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Re: How would you react ?
« Reply #148 on: April 17, 2015, 07:17:PM »
Quote from: lookout on April 17, 2015, 07:12:PM
It's an even bigger waste of resources,especially the public purse,to keep an innocent man in jail. Jeremy certainly won't be the only one either,except that he beats all records at 30 years so far.

No he doesn't!
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« Reply #149 on: April 17, 2015, 07:18:PM »
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