A time to take stock....

[nugnug]

Is that right...

Show me your evidence and I'll continue to show you mine.

yes i posted all that and the qustions still stand.

[Stephanie]

yes i posted all that and the qustions still stand.

You haven't asked a question

[nugnug]

Are you threatening me?

It's time to take stock Nugs if you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4548.0.html - you appear to have forgotten an awful lot of what you've posted.


Nugnug - you posted:

"i may sound like a suporter in denial here but id still rather wait for family comfirmation.
the reason being i know hes mental state wasnt good recently." http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4548.msg186602.html#msg186602

And this -

"i think each case has to be judged on its own merrit of course there will be people who will say they a peoples cre innocent when they arnt but they shouldent reflect on other peoples claims
there are people who cliam to have been  abused who havent but we wouldent dismiss all abuse victems as liars beccouse of this." http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4548.msg186609.html#msg186609


"there is also the posibilitys that hes decided he just wants freedom at any price" http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4548.msg186621.html#msg186621

"im wondering weather what we thought was evedence of innocence was really evedence of other peoples involvement but i suppose its to early to say yet."http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4548.msg186629.html#msg186629

"i would like to know this confession was made to."
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4548.msg186646.html#msg186646

"as far as i know its the other way around people who admit there crimes get released people who dont stay tend in jail.
i also cant that someone  remorslesly kill someone and lie about it for 12 years would suddenly start feeling guilty now."

"not forgeting the current head of the cps had previously expressed an opinion that he was innocent.
chris mole and bob russel must be a bit pissed of as well not that i really feel sorry for them."
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4548.msg186679.html#msg186679

"his mum still dosent bleive it."
http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CDQQqQIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.independent.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fuk%2Fcrime%2Fsimon-hall-admits-he-murdered-79yearold-joan-albert-despite-decade-campaigning-for-miscarriage-of-justice-8751610.html&ei=_egDUo_sJuyV0QWN8YGwCA&usg=AFQjCNH6K80zKWhhvhmqA5xfI21abYqo9g&bvm=bv.50500085,d.d2k&cad=rja

"i dont know what to think really maybe shes right not to"

"as far as i can she theres only 1 person it could of been and thats jamie barker."



Then another poster stated "I am sure it will all come out in the wash or if it was Stephanie, some media deal would be made."

And you Nugs stated: "its funny thats what i thought as well. "  http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4548.msg186861.html#msg186861

"i wonder whose decision is it to drop the ccrc review is it his as the appellant or stephs as the power of atorney." http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4548.msg186875.html#msg186875

"are so ray still cant belive it etere he must be gutted."

"id like to see if his confession fits with the facts."

"i wonder was simon halls mental health tested before he made this confession in the case of somebody who hadent been convicted it would of been but with a convicted man im not so sure."

"well its allready ben stated that it wont effect his release.
the sighn of wether its a true confession or not is weather it ties up with the known facts of the case.
and weather it implicates others."

"well he had been moved to an open witch is a sighn they may have been planing to release him anyway."

"the sighn of weather its a genuine confession or not is if it tallys up with the facts of case and weather it implicates other people.
becouse its impossble for him to have acted alone."

"this also means that some of his albi witness must of been lying but witch ones and why." http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4548.135.html

"i had thought that maybe he had done it with ancomplice before but i dident want to have a needless fight with his supporter so i kept my mouth shut about that theory.
i wonder if that lock-in in the rep really happened."

"really he should be locked up for ever just for being a time waster i mean all the other people who had there appeals delayed will the ccrc was looking at his."

"well when i think about all the time dr naughton and gaby tan spent on this when they could of been helping someone else.
and those law students who helped simon could of gone up the road to bury and helped kevin nunn instead."

Quote from: tyler on August 11, 2013, 01:01:PM
I don't think he is ready for release either. He had previous for violence before he murdered Mrs Albert and I still remember how arrogant and threatening he came across in his online blogs. He had the nerve to blame everybody else for his situation,including his parents! He has shown no remorse whatsoever!

"it struck me from his online blogs assuming thay really his words and not his wifes.
that he was loosing the plot."

"well for some saying that simon hall was a moj victem he was a pally with the police who put him in prison wasnt he if your computer broke down i dont think could call the police to come repair it for you.
and if you had confidential research on there witch you were going to show to the ccrc i dont think you would want to."

yes i posted all that and i stand by it.

the qustions still stand and far as i am concerned still remain unanswered.

[Stephanie]

yes i posted all that and i stand by it.

And you'll see all your contradictions within your posts.

For some reason you seem to think I care? I don't care if you stand by it. You are entitled to think what you want. It makes no difference to me.

I've merely posted to point out some of my observations and give a few factual details. Whether you believe me or not makes no difference to me.

[Stephanie]

yes i posted all that and i stand by it.

the qustions still stand and far as i am concerned still remain unanswered.

I'm glad you've publicly stated you stand by what you've posted though Nugs. It's very helpful.

If your questions remain unanswered that's your problem not mine. As far as I'm concerned those that matter know the truth. If it takes you a while to figure it out or if you never figure it out, that's your problem not mine.

[nugnug]

And you'll see all your contradictions within your posts.

For some reason you seem to think I care? I don't care if you stand by it. You are entitled to think what you want. It makes no difference to me.

I've merely posted to point out some of my observations and give a few factual details. Whether you believe me or not makes no difference to me.

well the fact you keep replying sort of suggestes you do care.

[Stephanie]

well the fact you keep replying sort of suggestes you do care.

I don't care about what the Nugnug's, Marty's and Sandra Leans of the world think.

What I care about is that people aren't conned like I once was.

[maggie]

This thread has been locked ..... thank you

[Stephanie]

if its true that or atempted rape took place that would certanly be in the paperwork

because I shouldn't need a source to get answer that because you know the answer and can easly provide it

was mentiod in relation to your husbands case.

the source is actually on this forum on threads you have already linked to. but only you can confirm weather its true or not.

[Stephanie]

I'm of the belief Billy Middleton wrote the above because of his own agenda and because he knew I believed he had intentionally set fire to the house that killed his baby daughter - My belief of him angered him.

I believe he wrote the blog in the way he did because he too is a con artist.

I believe he thought by writing this blog it would garner him more support at the time, whether it be good or bad support. He was attempting to play certain people off against each other imo.

I further believe him to be a dangerous individual who's motives are not genuine. My belief (or opinion), but it's what I've believed for a very long time.

I've heard and seen him in action attempting to play the 'victim.' I've watched how he leeches on to vulnerable individuals. I've also seen how his words don't match his actions.

[Stephanie]

By Billy Middleton (in black)

So did everyone who actually knows the case with the exception of retired SIO Roy Lambert, who has now found a voice on the subject and started proclaiming arrogantly in the media to have never once doubted Simon’s guilt, did everyone else including myself, those involved in the Rough Justice documentary, the CCRC, the DPP and many, many others get it wrong? YES - they all got it wrong! That includes you Billy Middleton! SIO Roy Lambert got the right man - however the motive was sexual as opposed to a burglary gone wrong!



It’s possible, and without knowing the circumstances and details of the confession it can’t be and mustn’t be ruled out. See above


However despite how readily people think ‘no one would confess if they didn’t do it’, that can’t be ruled out either, not least because just one of the many pieces of evidence pointing away from Simon’s guilt is that someone else confessed many years ago before Simon was convicted No one confessed many years ago - SH & the Hall family threw that suggestion in at the very beginning in order to attempt to take away the heat from SH! Which is where the deception started.


– quite simply one of them must be false, SH was guilty so the other was a red herring!

yet even then Roy Lambert didn’t doubt his assumption that Simon was guilty because Roy Lambert was right all along - Roy Lambert had obviously recognised the dysfunctional family dynamics very early on!


 and perhaps that’s why none of the other strands of evidence which potentially could have linked that person to the crime were never followed up – there were no other strands of evidence unless you are referring to the metal pole found in next doors garden (used to smash the window) which was never forensically tested and the excrement found in the back garden 


because he was so sure he was right and everyone else was wrong. He was right and everyone else was wrong!


DNA, fingerprints, there was no DNA or fingerprints - SH was forensically aware (not unlike yourself  http://www.shetlandtimes.co.uk/2009/03/20/only-fiend-could-murder-baby-trial) and had put his socks on his hands and disposed of everything he wore that morning on the Monday - the leather jacket, shirt, trousers, shoes, socks the lot..

footprints along the accepted escape route found at the scene, none of which matched Simon’s, Yes they did - the footprints did belong to SH - he had disposed of the shoes he wore that night so the police were unable to match the prints to any of the shoes he did have. He was not wearing boots as Lynn Hall suggested in her statement - she was wrong/or lying

stomach contents pointing to an earlier time of death wrong

which coincided with a disturbance heard by many neighbours, wrong again

not a trace with the exception of the infamous flock fibres which formed the sole basis of the prosecution’s case against him hence Mr Starmer’s continued quote “The one crucial link is the fibre evidence. Break this and the case disappears.”. You would expect then that the fibre evidence was strong and compelling, yet one slide claimed by the original experts to contain 1000+ such fibres actually contained absolutely none, zero, zilch, de nada, squat, when the CCRC’s expert reviewed it, other slides were broken and stuck together with sticky tape, and what had been described as lime green polyester was actually carbon black. That is the credibility of the fibre evidence and the only evidence Roy Lambert could present so sure as he was of Simon’s guilt in the face of everything else, and it is that level of contradiction of the original evidence that the appeal courts upheld his conviction on describing the original forensics as ‘incomplete’ rather than completely and utterly false. Whilst the green fibres were carbon black as opposed to green - they did belong to SH. He did go into Tesco's earlier that day to buy a new pair of trousers - SH described it as a 'fluke' that the police failed to pick him up on the CCTV. Tiernan Coyle was wrong. SH did not admit to the Zenith burglary until November 2012. SH & the Hall family sat on this evidence. SH eventually stated he did not tell the police or his legal team about the burglary through fear the fibres at Zenith would match the fibres at the murder scene.

SH had a history for violence.



It’s as if in some people’s eyes,  Simon’s change of plea has miraculously also morphed every forensically testable trace of his being including his DNA to match all of the evidence pointing away from him, the fibre evidence ceases to have any meaning, and all of the questions so many experienced people had have been answered. See above

Which is more probable, that after Simon’s last appeal was rejected, knowing that it was the best chance he was ever going to have, which was followed my months and months of psychological abuse and mind games by the person who drove every last one of the thousands of supporters he had away with vile and malicious on and offline feuds such that he finally couldn’t take any more, he cracked, These are your own projections Billy Middleton. How could I have driven thousands and thousands of supporters away one by one. Can you expand on this? The mind games and psychological abuse you have referred is what SH did to me. Not the other way round. From the moment I learned of the zenith burglary the mind games and psychological abuse increased in order to keep me from figuring it all out. When someone is caught telling lie after lie they eventually run out of excuses. I would however like you to expand on the vile and malicious on and offline feuds, if you can. If you are referring to you and me I have already explained - I believe you are a con artist who murdered your baby daughter after setting 2 fires in your house if you are referring to me and the family of SH - they weren't honest and the smear campaign they instigated against me was in order to stop the truth from surfacing and their secrets from coming out - not dissimilar to you and your secrets


 or that Roy Lambert was right all along despite all of the evidence to the contrary and everyone else was wrong? I don’t discount the possibility that I’m wrong, but I remain as yet unconvinced that I am of course you do because you are one of those people who would never admit to your wrong doing

and if further details are forthcoming I will reassess it then no you won't, you aren't man enough to admit you made it up you will disappear and go quiet like you always do when caught out lying

That doesn’t mean I don’t respect the fact that a confession has been made or refuse to accept it no matter what, that's exactly what it means - as I've said before Billy Middleton would never admit to his wrong doings

I’m simply unconvinced on the evidence that it’s true or that it was made by a sound mind Again your own projections Billy Middleton and not dissimilar to the way you 'played things' after you started those fires. People like you who have ulterior motives and agendas need to continually deceive others in order to stop your own crimes and secrets from being exposed.

 – particularly considering he was in receipt of medication for depression No he wasn't!

and had recently been rushed to hospital following an overdose which may or may not have been accidental. He confessed in July he overdosed in February

I personally lost respect for Simon some time ago but I didn’t lose the compassion and humanity I would need to before I could ignore the above, the facts of the past don’t get erased by the words of the present. I lost respect for you when I realised you are a con artist who likes to play the victim when caught out lying and you are a man who preys on the vulnerabilities of others. I believe you should have been found guilty, not - not proven! You got away with murder imo. I do not believe you capable of showing compassion or humility to anyone! You are a fraud and a coward! Imo you are a pariah. You think of yourself before others. http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/fury-as-dad-of-annalise-middleton-sets-1019199#FqAESWytkXCzZ8ee.97 You latched on to the wrongly accused for personal gratification and self gain.
Why did you loose respect for SH? By failing to expand on this you are further deceiving others. You lost respect for SH for a reason.. Why?

http://www.wronglyaccusedperson.org.uk/2013/08/mojs-simon-halls-confession/

[Stephanie]

yes i posted all that and the qustions still stand.

its called caracter assantion what you do when you havent got any proper evedence.

your in no postion to qustion other peoples integrety.

how long are the mods going to allow this harrasment of other posters to carry on.

Your posts are very telling nugnug. Has anyone else noticed how none of the cases he regularly posts on are ever guilty. Gotta keep it going round haven't you nugs.

I've bumped a few posts up nugnug because I'd like to discuss the Billy Middleton case with you and ask if you think he'll ever be re-tried for the murder of his baby daughter. So far there isn't one case you haven't posted on. So it will be interesting to see how involved you are prepared to get in this discussion.

[sandra L]

This thread has been locked ..... thank you

On March 3rd 2016, this thread was locked. Yesterday (January 11th 2017), at 8.26pm, it magically unlocked itself to allow Stephanie to start posting again. How did that happen, and more to the point, why?

[JackiePreece]

Yes something I would like to know as well???

[maggie]

On March 3rd 2016, this thread was locked. Yesterday (January 11th 2017), at 8.26pm, it magically unlocked itself to allow Stephanie to start posting again. How did that happen, and more to the point, why?

I shall look into it Sandra, I doubt it 'magically unlocked itself'.  It seems the thread was locked and maybe forgotten.  ngb may very well have unlocked it today.