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Re: A time to take stock....
« Reply #75 on: July 03, 2015, 12:37:AM »
In response to being asked by the CCRC about the Zenith burglary:

Taken from official CCRC documents

Q - Have you told anyone?

SH - The only people I told was when I was on a visit with Mum Dad and Phoebe - and it might have been Shaun. I can't remember what I said but I told them we went into Zenith and took a few things. Mum was upset. We all agreed it wouldn't help to tell anyone. I thought anything that happened before 5.30 wouldn't help or influence things.


I'd say the above is pretty damning for those people named. Why not tell anyone about the burglary? Why keep secrets like this?
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Re: A time to take stock....
« Reply #76 on: July 04, 2015, 10:54:PM »
http://thejusticegap.com/2013/09/keeping-perspective/

"Simon Hall’s confession has brought these thoughts back into focus for me. I am not saying that his confession is false, but I am saying that if it is I can just begin to understand why he may have made it. I am not suggesting that I can begin to imagine what miscarriage of justice victims really go through: the sense of injustice, the loss of freedom and life, the pressure from psychology and offender management personnel to admit guilt. We know that extreme psychological pressure can produce false confessions and even false memories.

False comfort
We know also that people who have been damaged psychologically and emotionally can self destruct and they sometimes do this just at the time things are beginning to look more hopeful for them. We know of the difficulties victims of injustice face even (some say even more so) when and if they are finally cleared – the high rates of psychological problems, drink and drug abuse and the shocking number of early deaths. Most people with serious illnesses or disabilities fight to maintain their lives; occasionally some have just had enough and literally lose the will to live. It is far from inconceivable that victims of miscarriages of justice can reach a parallel psychological position and lose the will to fight."

This guy does make one interesting observation....
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Re: A time to take stock....
« Reply #77 on: July 04, 2015, 10:56:PM »
To the author of the following https://twitter.com/MOJmuststop

I say again, remove the above account from the WWW.

This still hasn't been removed!

Maybe I should re post the blogs in their entirety so the content can be seen and absorbed; along with the signed declaration by SH that they were indeed ALL his words...?
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Re: A time to take stock....
« Reply #78 on: July 05, 2015, 05:28:PM »
I'm beginning to feel your pain Stephanie

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« Reply #79 on: July 05, 2015, 05:46:PM »
I'm beginning to feel your pain Stephanie

Never mind me Marty - what about Mrs Albert's memory and her surviving relatives? Imagine how they must feel? What they were put through.

Imagine if after his confession I told the media I still believed he was innocent? Knowing what I then knew?







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« Reply #80 on: July 05, 2015, 05:51:PM »
Never mind me Marty - what about Mrs Albert's memory and her surviving relatives? Imagine how they must feel? What they were put through.

Imagine if after his confession I told the media I still believed he was innocent? Knowing what I then knew?

Some peoples motives and agendas sicken me!
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Re: A time to take stock....
« Reply #81 on: July 05, 2015, 06:05:PM »
Rock and a hard place spring to mind

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Re: A time to take stock....
« Reply #82 on: July 05, 2015, 06:07:PM »
Rock and a hard place spring to mind

I don't know what you mean by that? You'll have to expand a bit more...

Unless you mean about telling the truth or telling a lie?

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« Reply #83 on: July 05, 2015, 06:15:PM »
What I mean is, you have been caught between a rock and a hard place, whatever you do is wrong in some people's eyes.

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« Reply #84 on: July 05, 2015, 06:23:PM »
What I mean is, you have been caught between a rock and a hard place, whatever you do is wrong in some people's eyes.

Oh I see what you mean....

I have the truth on my side and you can't please all of the people all of the time.

Please or offend, the truth will be told. I believe it needs to be told in order for lessons to be learned.




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Re: A time to take stock....
« Reply #85 on: July 05, 2015, 06:33:PM »
Fill your boots Stephanie.

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« Reply #86 on: July 05, 2015, 06:41:PM »
Fill your boots Stephanie.

Would you sweep it under the carpet and leave people wondering?

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« Reply #87 on: July 05, 2015, 06:43:PM »
‘Gobsmacked’, some said. Others were ‘Stunned’, writes Julie Price. But whatever the language of choice for miscarriage of justice observers, the common reaction to Simon Hall’s confession last month was: ‘We didn’t see that coming.’

Setting aside any questions (and there are many) as to the circumstances surrounding his confession after maintaining innocence for 12 years, this turn of events will not have helped the cases of genuine victims of wrongful conviction, as suggested in early reactions from the ‘no smoke without fire’ brigade.


Now read the rest of the article - http://thejusticegap.com/2013/09/simon-hall-confession-a-time-to-take-stock/
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« Reply #88 on: July 05, 2015, 06:49:PM »
Would you sweep it under the carpet and leave people wondering?

No I wouldn', Like I said, fill your boots.

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« Reply #89 on: July 05, 2015, 06:54:PM »
‘Gobsmacked’, some said. Others were ‘Stunned’, writes Julie Price. But whatever the language of choice for miscarriage of justice observers, the common reaction to Simon Hall’s confession last month was: ‘We didn’t see that coming.’

Setting aside any questions (and there are many) as to the circumstances surrounding his confession after maintaining innocence for 12 years, this turn of events will not have helped the cases of genuine victims of wrongful conviction, as suggested in early reactions from the ‘no smoke without fire’ brigade.


Now read the rest of the article - http://thejusticegap.com/2013/09/simon-hall-confession-a-time-to-take-stock/

She then writes:

"A fair number of innocence projects nationally will soon be reaching a crossroads/brick wall stage, after several years of frustrated operation. They will move from the honeymoon period towards despair and helplessness, feeling overwhelmed, realising that upping gear to ‘crusade mode’ is not what they signed up for. So when something happens like the Simon Hall confession, this has the potential to justify and accelerate plans for exodus. Those of us who have invested thousands of hours of our time will naturally feel (at best) disappointment at our cause being undermined by the confession, setting back casework by years, precious time that could have been spent on genuine cases. But how can a worthy case be differentiated from one that will eventually throw up evidence of guilt? The short answer is that it can’t¸ and we shouldn’t beat ourselves up about it. Perhaps guilty prisoners do see universities as a haven for keen young things over whose eyes the wool can easily be pulled: after all, they have nothing to lose (apart from the progression problems of prisoners maintaining innocence, which is another harrowing story). But to say that the BBC and Bristol University were ‘hoodwinked’ is unfairly disparaging. There are many reasons why people maintain innocence, and the Simon Hall confession could have happened to any of us."

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