A time to take stock....

[nugnug]

if its true that or atempted rape took place that would certanly be in the paperwork

[Stephanie]

that wont wash you had all the paperwork they dident,

Here is a list of some of those people who had seen all the paperwork

* The convicted
* The convicted parents
* According to the adopted mother of the convicted person, she invited all her friends to her house to go through the paperwork with a fine tooth comb following the guilty verdict
* Stephanie Bon
* Sandra Lean - though I have since learned much of what she wrote in her book 'No Smoke' relied on the hearsay of Miss Bon, the convicted person and his adoptive parents
* Bristol Innocence Project
* the BBC - prior to the Rough Justice documentary
* numerous solicitors and barristers - including Campbell Malone, Michael Mansfield, Danielle Cooper
* a family in the village of Capel

And it should be reminded that I did not start publicly campaigning until 2009, prior to that the brother of the convicted (Shaun), Miss Bon and the adoptive mother campaigned on behalf of the convicted and ran numerous websites and blogs to support this.

At one point prior to me getting involved, the family of the convicted and Miss Bon had a falling out. They only 'made up' on the night of the CCRC referral in October 2009. I believe now, the reason for the 'fallout' is significant - though I won't be going into details here.

So there were many others who had seen all the paperwork, long before I came on the scene.

Incidentally the police initially believed the murder had been sexually motivated. The convicted and the family of the convicted knew of this in 2002, as did most of us.

[nugnug]

so what your saying is everybody knew he was guilty exept you i dont belive that for 1 secound

the proscution at his trail seemd to think it was a bungled robbery im not sure how the came to that conclusion but that must of been the conclusion of the police as well.

[Stephanie]

Here is a list of some of those people who had seen all the paperwork

* The convicted
* The convicted parents
* According to the adopted mother of the convicted person, she invited all her friends to her house to go through the paperwork with a fine tooth comb following the guilty verdict
* Stephanie Bon
* Sandra Lean - though I have since learned much of what she wrote in her book 'No Smoke' relied on the hearsay of Miss Bon, the convicted person and his adoptive parents
* Bristol Innocence Project
* the BBC - prior to the Rough Justice documentary
* numerous solicitors and barristers - including Campbell Malone, Michael Mansfield, Danielle Cooper
* a family in the village of Capel

And it should be reminded that I did not start publicly campaigning until 2009, prior to that the brother of the convicted (Shaun), Miss Bon and the adoptive mother campaigned on behalf of the convicted and ran numerous websites and blogs to support this.

At one point prior to me getting involved, the family of the convicted and Miss Bon had a falling out. They only 'made up' on the night of the CCRC referral in October 2009. I believe now, the reason for the 'fallout' is significant - though I won't be going into details here.

So there were many others who had seen all the paperwork, long before I came on the scene.

Incidentally the police initially believed the murder had been sexually motivated. The convicted and the family of the convicted knew of this in 2002.

Furthermore the convicted persons girlfriend at the time of his arrest (and her parents) were involved in helping to uncover what happened. It is believed they hired a private investigator. Notes were found relating to the private investigator in or around 2011/12 - passed on by the adoptive parents. No other material was passed on as far as I am aware.

[Stephanie]

so what your saying is everybody knew he was guilty exept you i dont belive that for 1 secound

the proscution at his trail seemd to think it was a bungled robbery im not sure how the came to that conclusion but that must of been the conclusion of the police as well.

That's not what I said Nugnug, again please don't put words in my mouth! What I said was numerous others had seen the case papers before me. I did not see any case papers until 2009. I didn't have a full set of case papers until 2011.

I believed him to be innocent.

Maybe the prosecution felt this was the best option of securing a conviction - You will have to take up your concerns with Suffolk Constabulary.

[Stephanie]

The following link may be of interest http://www.bushywood.com/BBC_Rough_Justice.htm

As well as this one http://www.homepage-link.to/Justice/Hall/index.html

[Jane]

so what your saying is everybody knew he was guilty exept you i dont belive that for 1 secound

the proscution at his trail seemd to think it was a bungled robbery im not sure how the came to that conclusion but that must of been the conclusion of the police as well.

Nugs, you sound very harsh and judgemental. Have you never met one of those people who could sell ice cream to Eskimos? They are unbelievably convincing.

[Stephanie]

so what your saying is everybody knew he was guilty exept you i dont belive that for 1 secound

the proscution at his trail seemd to think it was a bungled robbery im not sure how the came to that conclusion but that must of been the conclusion of the police as well.

What many people knew, that I didn't, was that the convicted had carried out a burglary on the same night as the murder.

There was reference to a burglary in Ipswich on the night in question (in the paperwork) but police had not linked this to the murder?

I learned of the burglary in November 2012. This information had been passed on to someone from Capel, who had been told by an ex girlfriend of the convicted brother.

It was from this point that other anomalies became apparent. Many of these anomalies were gleamed from posters of this forum.

[Stephanie]

the proscution at his trail seemd to think it was a bungled robbery im not sure how the came to that conclusion but that must of been the conclusion of the police as well.

Paragraph 5 http://www.mojuk.org.uk/Portia/archive%2012/hall.html

[Stephanie]

It was from this point that other anomalies became apparent. Many of these anomalies were gleamed from posters of this forum.

Just prior to the confession, the convicted disclosed to the police historical abuse claims. The police NFA'd these claims.

[Stephanie]

that wont wash you had all the paperwork they dident,

And so did the CCRC.. Submissions were still being made to them in 2013. I have since wondered if they had already realised he was guilty.

[David1819]

You will find that a lot of people decide innocence after talking to people and becoming convinced by personality instead of being objective and approaching a matter professionally.  Remaining objective means  looking at the evidence and doing what you can with that evidence.  People who become emotionally invested don't look at things rationally and usually made poor advocates.  They will make excuses and even make up wacky allegations. None of that helps the client though because what is needed is to refute the evidence that convicted the person  and wacky allegations doesn't accomplish that nor does making excuses.  The evidence needs to be attacked and refuted.

A good example of this is the case of James Hanratty. He was Hung in 1962 for murder and rape. He protested his innocence till death and a there was a large campaign to clear his name and find the 'real killer' However in 2002 hanratty's body was dug up to obtain DNA and the tests proved it was him all along but people and his family to this day still campaign.

http://murderpedia.org/male.H/h/hanratty-james.htm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/1980731.stm

[Stephanie]

A good example of this is the case of James Hanratty. He was Hung in 1962 for murder and rape. He protested his innocence till death and a there was a large campaign to clear his name and find the 'real killer' However in 2002 hanratty's body was dug up to obtain DNA and the tests proved it was him all along but people and his family to this day still campaign.

http://murderpedia.org/male.H/h/hanratty-james.htm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/1980731.stm

There are no comparisons to the above case and the case I have mentioned. The convicted (in the case I have mentioned) confessed his guilt in July 2013.

[David1819]

There are no comparisons to the above case and the case I have mentioned. The convicted (in the case I have mentioned) confessed his guilt in July 2013.

I never said there was. I was replying specifically to scipios comment

[Caroline]

A good example of this is the case of James Hanratty. He was Hung in 1962 for murder and rape. He protested his innocence till death and a there was a large campaign to clear his name and find the 'real killer' However in 2002 hanratty's body was dug up to obtain DNA and the tests proved it was him all along but people and his family to this day still campaign.

http://murderpedia.org/male.H/h/hanratty-james.htm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/1980731.stm

A guy called Peter Alphon confessed to the crime, which probably made the family more adamant that Hanratty was innocent.

http://www.itnsource.com/shotlist/BHC_ITN/1967/05/17/X17056701/?v=0

His last words to his family may also have contributed to their life long campaign ‘I’m dying tomorrow but I’m innocent. Clear my name.’ He had the opportunity then to come clean at least for his families sake, instead, because of his claims of innocence,  they wasted their lives campaigning for a violent psychopath who obviously had no remorse.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1342569/50-years-challenge-DNA-test-bid-clear-Hanratty.html#ixzz3XqEcdmTC