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Re: A time to take stock....
« Reply #150 on: February 27, 2016, 09:43:AM »
In response to being asked by the CCRC about the Zenith burglary:

Taken from official CCRC documents

Q - Have you told anyone?

SH - The only people I told was when I was on a visit with Mum Dad and Phoebe - and it might have been Shaun. I can't remember what I said but I told them we went into Zenith and took a few things. Mum was upset. We all agreed it wouldn't help to tell anyone. I thought anything that happened before 5.30 wouldn't help or influence things.

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« Reply #151 on: February 27, 2016, 09:49:AM »
On 10th Dec 2013 a poster made the following statement -

"No idea. Doubtful though. Simon was always a jack I lad and getting in trouble. It doesn't fit.
I mentioned it previously because I wondered who started it. Since speaking to the family I know he has lied to everyone, especially the wife.
Simon caused a lot of trouble for the family with drugs and money issues. Communication broke down and simon stopped writing and doing anything. No wonder really as he couldn't cope. I saw him once and he was not the guy I remember at school.
The family didn't do anything bad as I can see, they tried but it's a tough situation imho. When the wife came on the scene she lied and I heard stole money from them and even rang Simons estranged family. Not very good behaviour but I think she knew it all along.
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I do hope said poster can prove their malicious and libellous allegations of me having lied and having stolen money!!

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4548.msg205456.html#msg205456
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Re: A time to take stock....
« Reply #152 on: February 27, 2016, 09:57:AM »
And once the inquest is over - I'll reveal who was behind 'The Real Mrs H' blog... (Though their identity may well come out before then)

Who was behind the above post where they state "since speaking to the family I know he has lied to everyone...
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Re: A time to take stock....
« Reply #153 on: February 27, 2016, 10:05:AM »
And once the inquest is over - I'll reveal who was behind 'The Real Mrs H' blog... (Though their identity may well come out before then)

Who was behind the above post where they state "since speaking to the family I know he has lied to everyone...

And what motivated them... Which, I might add, wasn't the truth!
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Re: A time to take stock....
« Reply #154 on: February 27, 2016, 10:14:AM »
One more time, as you don't seem to be getting this. I don't care what you think my reasons for posting are. I really, truly, don't give a flying whatsit. OK.

Tell me Sandra, why is it you appear to thrive on drama and stirring the pot?
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5082.msg218489.html#msg218489

Interesting how you wanted to be the first to post about SH's death before it was leaked to the press - yet you'd only heard this from me.

Seems your habit for cherry picking information is ingrained.

Shouldn't you have waited until you had 'official' confirmation? Why post on my word if my word is not to be believed - as you have recently suggested?

You can't have it both ways!
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Re: A time to take stock....
« Reply #155 on: February 27, 2016, 10:46:AM »
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Re: Re: Simon Hall Confesses To Murder Of Joan Albert
« Reply #733 on: December 13, 2013, 06:17:PM »
Ill ask again about Simon as this isn't the Kevin thread, does anyone know where simon is at the mo?
Has anyone actually seen his confession. After reading about his original statement it seems clear there is a time gap but I cant see how he did it without leaving proof!

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4548.msg206225.html#msg206225





So to confirm; in December 2013 - you didn't know where SH was? Less than 3 months later he was dead.

And one other thing -

Where did you read his original statement? They were never in the public domain? Very few people saw his original police statements!

The fibre evidence were what linked him to the crime, along with the foot prints and quite possibly excrement in the back garden.
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Re: A time to take stock....
« Reply #156 on: February 27, 2016, 10:51:AM »
By that stage, everything about Simon was relayed through the filter of Stephanie - Simon didn't "blog about" anything - he was in prison - Stephanie blogged on his behalf.

You have omitted the fact that all communication by this point was had via a recorded prison telephone.
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Re: A time to take stock....
« Reply #158 on: February 27, 2016, 11:18:AM »
Seriously?

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http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5082.msg218489.html#msg218489
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Just to clarify for everyone, it was Stephanie who asked me to make public announcements on the forums where Simon's case was discussed, that he had been found dead in his cell that morning.

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Re: A time to take stock....
« Reply #159 on: February 27, 2016, 11:19:AM »
Lol!!!! In the time it took me to post, Stephanie had already gone back and altered her post. This is nonsense, I'm off.

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Re: A time to take stock....
« Reply #160 on: February 27, 2016, 11:22:AM »
Seriously?

Just to clarify for everyone, it was Stephanie who asked me to make public announcements on the forums where Simon's case was discussed, that he had been found dead in his cell that morning.

No Sandra, you are twisting the truth as usual. It was your suggestion. I was in far too much shock at that time to make a decision of any kind.

You chose to post what you did where you did, when you did. The forums were the least of my concerns.

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Re: A time to take stock....
« Reply #161 on: February 27, 2016, 11:27:AM »
Lol!!!! In the time it took me to post, Stephanie had already gone back and altered her post. This is nonsense, I'm off.

You are 'off' because you've been caught out again.

I've edited my post further - hope that's okay with you  ::)

The real reason I believe you have not publicly supported the truth is because your reputation will be called into question and you aren't yet ready to face the truth and all that that entails.
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Re: A time to take stock....
« Reply #162 on: February 27, 2016, 11:55:AM »
Seriously?

Just to clarify for everyone, it was Stephanie who asked me to make public announcements on the forums where Simon's case was discussed, that he had been found dead in his cell that morning.

Why don't you twist it some more? - Why don't you twist it to suggest I 'forced' you to make a public statement on the WAP forum for example where Billy Middleton had only a few months before blogged the following:


"What now for MOJs following Simon Hall’s confession?
Published August 11, 2013 | By admin

http://www.wronglyaccusedperson.org.uk/2013/08/mojs-simon-halls-confession/

Unsurprisingly, the MOJ community has been damaged with many feeling bitter and betrayed as they stand up for those they believe are innocent. It’s understandable, particularly for those who played no part in the train crash that was the latter stages of his online presence or behind the scenes in some cases too, or the many who tried in vain to stop it. Many people put a lot of time and effort into researching the case, trying to help find the truth in any way they could, and who can blame any of them for feeling they should’ve spent the years on someone/something else instead – that it was a waste of time and effort?  They are not to blame for their carefully considered opinions, and shouldn’t be condemned for having the courage and commitment to look beyond the trial verdict when it’s made so incredibly hard find support for doing so. Nor should any other potential MOJ victims be further vilified for their own plights or the people who support them, and the media shouldn’t be criticised for doing what a society with a free press requires that it should – to probe and question an otherwise effectively unaccountable system.

There is worry about other cases being taken seriously in future, and the many who know of someone who was investigated by SIO Roy Lambert they believe is innocent in particular are finding it hard to witness his gloating whether he’s right or not. Change is always disconcerting, and things will certainly be different now, though for some the effects will be deeper and longer lasting than for others. Simon’s family have dealt with this remarkably well and people shouldn’t be too quick to condemn their continued belief in his innocence, after all it might very well be true. The Ministry of Justice said a confession by a person serving a life sentence would have “no impact” on the minimum tariff they would have to serve before being considered for release. But it knows perfectly well, as does anyone who knows anything about miscarriages of justice, that maintaining innocence does impact on how far beyond the minimum tariff a person would ultimately serve and others have confessed for that specific reason only to go on and challenge their convictions upon release. Simon might well have been progressing better than others through the prison system in that respect despite maintaining innocence, and it very much looked like he was about to join the exceptionally rare few who were released on or close to minimum tariff despite it, but there is little doubt in my mind that someone sending the parole board an abusive letter over a dispute where he could be reintegrated into society upon release shortly before his confession will have done that progress absolutely no good whatsoever.

So what do the MOJ community, the media and other related parties have to do now in the wake of this? In reality despite the damage it has caused far and wide, everyone needs to do the same thing they’ve always had to do – consider the evidence separate from their emotions and judge it for what it is, present it as it is and not stop looking and questioning everything until the answers have been found as they should have been in the first place – beyond reasonable doubt. People supporting someone incarcerated for something they believe they haven’t done need to look at how Simon was supported and learn from the mistakes, whether his confession is true or not, because while it’s easy to blame him in isolation for the harm done, if it’s a false confession your loved ones never ever ever need put in the position he was in to end up with and you can’t do that looking only at the 10 letter word confession and his other perceived option may well have been suicide if he really just couldn’t take it anymore. You need to look at the evidence and all that went on before it and see how wrong it was. The media need do the same before dropping the evidence box and giving too much air space to irrational certainty, they still need to hold accountable the justice system which has a proven track record of getting it wrong and being openly willing to admit that in their view it’s better an innocent person is kept in prison than the system’s “integrity” is affected, otherwise they become no better than the pseudo press found in countries controlled by dictators and there will be nothing to prevent any authority in the country doing whatever it wants regardless of the evidence.
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Re: A time to take stock....
« Reply #163 on: February 27, 2016, 12:10:PM »
https://psychopathyawareness.wordpress.com/tag/evil-men/

"Jealous fights, as well as mutual insults and devaluation, offer an amusing spectator sport for psychopaths. It makes them feel in charge: like they’re the puppet masters manipulating all these women’s emotions. This rivalry also has the additional advantage of creating artificial barriers among the victims. The women’s aggression turns against one another rather than towards their real enemy, the psychopath who is using and mistreating them both, plus several others that they may not even know about."

Psychopaths tend to select trusting and trustworthy women whom they can manipulate and taint. They enjoy the thrill of getting them to collude in their lies and machinations against others, including family members and friends. They resort to emotional blackmail to get their victims, who are often decent human beings, to cooperate. This establishes a link of complicity in the psychopathic bond: something along the lines of, you lied to your family (or my family, or our friends, or your spouse) too, so therefore you’re just as bad and deceitful as I am. Furthermore, psychopaths need to have their sense of power over you constantly reaffirmed. Since they’re at core malicious human beings, the way you help confirm their power best is by colluding with their projects to deceive and hurt others.

By turning “their” women against one another, psychopaths make each of them simultaneously their co-conspirator and their dupe, the deceiver and the deceived. When she deflects her negative emotions towards other women, the psychopath’s wife or girlfriend remains blind to the real threat posed by her own partner. Emotionally, this perspective may be easier to accept than the truth: namely, that your supposed soul mate wants to destroy you and is using you as a weapon to hurt others and vice versa. Only when you’re strong enough to open your eyes and face reality do you begin to see the machinations of the psychopath as puppet master.


This article focuses on 'women' but it's equally relevant to men and women or as a collective.
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Re: A time to take stock....
« Reply #164 on: February 27, 2016, 12:25:PM »
"What now for MOJs following Simon Hall’s confession?
Published August 11, 2013 | By admin

http://www.wronglyaccusedperson.org.uk/2013/08/mojs-simon-halls-confession/

Unsurprisingly, the MOJ community has been damaged with many feeling bitter and betrayed as they stand up for those they believe are innocent. It’s understandable, particularly for those who played no part in the train crash that was the latter stages of his online presence or behind the scenes in some cases too, or the many who tried in vain to stop it. Many people put a lot of time and effort into researching the case, trying to help find the truth in any way they could, and who can blame any of them for feeling they should’ve spent the years on someone/something else instead – that it was a waste of time and effort?  They are not to blame for their carefully considered opinions, and shouldn’t be condemned for having the courage and commitment to look beyond the trial verdict when it’s made so incredibly hard find support for doing so. Nor should any other potential MOJ victims be further vilified for their own plights or the people who support them, and the media shouldn’t be criticised for doing what a society with a free press requires that it should – to probe and question an otherwise effectively unaccountable system.

There is worry about other cases being taken seriously in future, and the many who know of someone who was investigated by SIO Roy Lambert they believe is innocent in particular are finding it hard to witness his gloating whether he’s right or not. Change is always disconcerting, and things will certainly be different now, though for some the effects will be deeper and longer lasting than for others. Simon’s family have dealt with this remarkably well and people shouldn’t be too quick to condemn their continued belief in his innocence, after all it might very well be true. The Ministry of Justice said a confession by a person serving a life sentence would have “no impact” on the minimum tariff they would have to serve before being considered for release. But it knows perfectly well, as does anyone who knows anything about miscarriages of justice, that maintaining innocence does impact on how far beyond the minimum tariff a person would ultimately serve and others have confessed for that specific reason only to go on and challenge their convictions upon release. Simon might well have been progressing better than others through the prison system in that respect despite maintaining innocence, and it very much looked like he was about to join the exceptionally rare few who were released on or close to minimum tariff despite it, but there is little doubt in my mind that someone sending the parole board an abusive letter over a dispute where he could be reintegrated into society upon release shortly before his confession will have done that progress absolutely no good whatsoever.

So what do the MOJ community, the media and other related parties have to do now in the wake of this? In reality despite the damage it has caused far and wide, everyone needs to do the same thing they’ve always had to do – consider the evidence separate from their emotions and judge it for what it is, present it as it is and not stop looking and questioning everything until the answers have been found as they should have been in the first place – beyond reasonable doubt. People supporting someone incarcerated for something they believe they haven’t done need to look at how Simon was supported and learn from the mistakes, whether his confession is true or not, because while it’s easy to blame him in isolation for the harm done, if it’s a false confession your loved ones never ever ever need put in the position he was in to end up with and you can’t do that looking only at the 10 letter word confession and his other perceived option may well have been suicide if he really just couldn’t take it anymore. You need to look at the evidence and all that went on before it and see how wrong it was. The media need do the same before dropping the evidence box and giving too much air space to irrational certainty, they still need to hold accountable the justice system which has a proven track record of getting it wrong and being openly willing to admit that in their view it’s better an innocent person is kept in prison than the system’s “integrity” is affected, otherwise they become no better than the pseudo press found in countries controlled by dictators and there will be nothing to prevent any authority in the country doing whatever it wants regardless of the evidence.

Sandra, did you help (or have any influence) with what Billy Middleton wrote above, or did you proof read it before he posted it? Or was it all of his own doing?
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