A fair trial?

[Jackiepreece]

So Sandy that's brilliant news so you are not dead set against JB having a retrial so I suppose you saying you are undecided about a retrial means you don't mind either way.

I am beginning to think noone on here would object to a retrial things are really looking up on here I hope the powers that be read this forum.

Chochokeira brilliant post I have just posted that somewhere else and it could be seen by thousands of people everywhere.

Grahame good posts considering what a downer it was yesterday but I am ok today I just find it hard to believe people like that exist if it was a hoax

[Kaldin]

Chochokeira do you realise the trouble you are causing!!!!!!

They are throwing their dummys out of their prams and leaving in droves!!!

Oh well Hartley

Hartley was a good poster and he provided some good balance here. It's a shame he's gone again.

[shonapugs]

I'll miss you,Hartley.

[lucy70]

Chochokeira do you realise the trouble you are causing!!!!!!

They are throwing their dummys out of their prams and leaving in droves!!!

Oh well Hartley

Hartley was a good poster and he provided some good balance here. It's a shame he's gone again.

Have to agree. Such a pity that you've chased off someone so valuable to your forum.........am more of a reader than a poster and is first forum that have looked at and kinda liked it but have to say that the way some of you behave when anyone dares to disagree with your (mindless) adoration of JB is enough to put anyone off. The whole idea of a forum is supposed to be about exchanging ideas and theories but a few of you on here seem to be so fanatical that in the end all you'll end up with is yourselves!
Sorry if this offends anyone but think you're doing yourselves down by behaving like this. Berating people who have a different opinion to you is not what this is supposed to be about. If you want a JB fanclub with no dissenters then rename it!

[chochokeira]

Chochokeira I can take it there are so many peoples views I respect on this forum a friend of the family doesn't ruffle my feathers at all. I just wish I could be more eloquent  like you

All this relative and friend of the family business, if I was, then I would think that my views would be a little stronger, don't you? Plus I'm not sure pointing out where Anns daughter lived would be in a relatives or family friends best interest either.

Although I'm bored of denying, so carry on as you were.

I sympathise with  you Harters, to be an innocent person and wrongly accused is dreadful. The more you try to convince others of your innocence the more they appear to believe you're guilty. What on earth can you do to persuade others that you are not guilty?

Perhaps you could try telling those who wrongly accuse you how bad it feels to be scapegoated for something you've not done and appeal to their better nature.

Then a few of us could form a support group for you and wear tee shirts with legends stating:

                               "Harters is innocent!"    or
               
                               "Free Harters!"

Which do you prefer?

That might just free you.

Hopefully you won't have to be incarcerated by wrongly assumed guilt for too long....and you'll be freed in, say, 25 to 26 years?

Only one problem, that guy who who wants you to stay banged up: I forget his name.



Oooh, ooh, yes, I remember now......it's Hartley

What a ridiculous post. 

Anyhow there's nothing of interest being discussed anymore, so I think I'll leave the cheerleaders to it, enjoy.

You're right, it was ridiculous, as ridiculous as your:

"Okay, this sitting on a convicted murderers knee stroking his hair and whispering sweet nothings into his ear, type comments is really quite bizarre." (Hartley)

Plus your daft 'cheer leader' comments.

But when you're not having one of you daft days as you were to day, you're brilliant, Harters, so I hope you will return as I'll miss you too.

chochokeira x x x

 

[chochokeira]

Berating people who have a different opinion to you is not what this is supposed to be about.

Then why do it, Lucy? Your above post does exactly what it accuses others of doing -  berates people with different opinions to your own - and does so via a personal attack or ad hominem:

The way some of you behave when anyone dares to disagree with your (mindless) adoration of JB is enough to put anyone off.

[Jackiepreece]

Lucy why do you say mindless adoration have you actually sat and read through all these posts.  It takes hours to keep up with everything that's posted on here good or bad and believe me most of us do.
Maybe if most of the undisclosed documents were released and maybe if it could be proved jm was telling the truth and if we believed JB was so desperate for money he would murder two children and three adults in cold blood and maybe if we thought JB acted like a guilty man in the dock we wouldn't be sitting here reading this.
It is very insulting to be called mindless I might not be as intelligent as some of the people on here but I know when something is not right and after watching the tv documentary the other nightmy gut feeling has got even worse towards Essex Police I don't know if Bob Miller was the best they could find or noone else would do it and I probably think the latter was true.  I have never read two of the documents Chochokeira posted today and I have read loads but it was great reading. Does she fall in the mindless category how dare you she is sticking up for someone sat in prison for 26 years for a crime that is regularly discussed in the media because an awful lot of people arent even sure he is guilty.  You can call me mindless water off a ducks back but so far I haven't read anything interesting you have to say.

[chochokeira]

Maybe if most of the undisclosed documents were released and maybe if it could be proved jm was telling the truth and if we believed JB was so desperate for money he would murder two children and three adults in cold blood and maybe if we thought JB acted like a guilty man in the dock we wouldn't be sitting here reading this.

That's an excellent point, Jackie. This too often repeated claim that those of us who either believe Jeremy Bamber is innocent or who are far from convinced of his guilt are all just mindless cheerleaders or dummies just does not square with either the calibre of the JBI posters or the amount of time we spend reading and analysing the large quantity of case documents here. It also doesn't reconcile with the many excellent and well thought out posts by such people. It is insulting too.

Give or take the odd daft tit for tat post of mine, I try to be respectful in my responses to posters from all sides of the JB spectrum so, like you, I cannot understand why these personal attacks are deemed necessary. They do nothing to advance one side or the other and just create bad feeling and rows between forum members. I would prefer there to be more respect all round.

[chochokeira]

Lucy why do you say mindless adoration have you actually sat and read through all these posts.  It takes hours to keep up with everything that's posted on here good or bad and believe me most of us do.
Maybe if most of the undisclosed documents were released and maybe if it could be proved jm was telling the truth and if we believed JB was so desperate for money he would murder two children and three adults in cold blood and maybe if we thought JB acted like a guilty man in the dock we wouldn't be sitting here reading this.
It is very insulting to be called mindless I might not be as intelligent as some of the people on here but I know when something is not right and after watching the tv documentary the other nightmy gut feeling has got even worse towards Essex Police I don't know if Bob Miller was the best they could find or noone else would do it and I probably think the latter was true.  I have never read two of the documents Chochokeira posted today and I have read loads but it was great reading. Does she fall in the mindless category how dare you she is sticking up for someone sat in prison for 26 years for a crime that is regularly discussed in the media because an awful lot of people arent even sure he is guilty.  You can call me mindless water off a ducks back but so far I haven't read anything interesting you have to say.

Also, Jackie, I disagree with you when you say that you might not be as intelligent as some posters here. You make some excellent points and should give yourself more credit for these. You can beat anyone to the draw with the speed of your responses and you cut right to the chase where I go all round the houses. I so envy that ability of yours, it's one that few people have. You also have a far better grasp of the JB case than I do. I've learned a lot from reading your posts.

[Jackiepreece]

And I tried to be nice to Hartley on Friday I wanted to lighten things up and he went all funny with me then. Chochokeira you're right it is very insulting for people to say we are only doing good things for JB because we fancy him I genuinely like a lot of people who are on here and there is not one single girl on here debates stuff for that reason. The most worrying thing for me after reading so much is I really think something like this could happen to anyone if any kind of debating helps with say relaxing guidelines on PII then that can only be a good thing.  All these rules and regulations that JB has been up against for 26 years are being discussed over the Internet and public opinion will change everything eventually.
We all have our little snipes but even I apologised for calling Julie Mugford an evil nasty witch.
I think we are both not guilty as charged on this one

[chochokeira]

And I tried to be nice to Hartley on Friday I wanted to lighten things up and he went all funny with me then. Chochokeira you're right it is very insulting for people to say we are only doing good things for JB because we fancy him I genuinely like a lot of people who are on here and there is not one single girl on here debates stuff for that reason. The most worrying thing for me after reading so much is I really think something like this could happen to anyone if any kind of debating helps with say relaxing guidelines on PII then that can only be a good thing.  All these rules and regulations that JB has been up against for 26 years are being discussed over the Internet and public opinion will change everything eventually.
We all have our little snipes but even I apologised for calling Julie Mugford an evil nasty witch.
I think we are both not guilty as charged on this one

It could happen to anyone, you're right.

[HMEssex]

"There’s another worrying aspect to this case – in 1985 Care in the Community was being introduced – the Great British Public was already concerned at the prospect of mad people being loose in the streets – the last thing the Establishment wanted was a family to be wiped out by a poor lady inadequately treated for schizophrenia. There was a great deal of money to be made from the new plans for the mentally ill – there were many psychiatric hospitals on prime building sites and many property developers were rubbing their hands with glee at the prospect of the profits ahead. There have been many terrible incidents where mentally ill women have murdered their children during the past 25 years – Sheila was sadly the first. The Establishment had many reasons to find Jeremy Bamber guilty."



I've never understood why there would be a political angle to this case, but having read the above point, now it makes sense to me.

[Jackiepreece]

I really never thought of that aspect the whole thing get worse and worse and I know there was a time when things changed and something bad happened with someone who clearly was not well enough to leave hospital. I think there is still a problem now

[Hartley]

Back for a one time parting shot  But then I'll be gone again. 

Just wanted to say that I was kinda getting fed up with some of the personal vibes going back and forth (for which I'm sure I'm just as guilty).

I was also getting fed up with peoples preconceptions, what's the point in joining in if the only thing your going to do is preach and of course he/she who preaches loudest wins?

I'll also take the opportunity to apologise to the hordes of people I've no doubt offended, seriously no offence intended, as I've said in the past it would be mighty boring if everyone agreed all the time.

Anyway, it seems like most of this has been debated to death, I don't have as much time as I used to and I don't feel I've got anything left to contribute anyway (other than poking fun at the cheerleaders  :D ) so I'll leave you to it, I may rejoin if something new emerges, or when the CCRC verdict comes in, but until then happy debating chaps and chap-esses, take care x.
 

[Kaldin]

Back for a one time parting shot  But then I'll be gone again. 

Just wanted to say that I was kinda getting fed up with some of the personal vibes going back and forth (for which I'm sure I'm just as guilty).

I was also getting fed up with peoples preconceptions, what's the point in joining in if the only thing your going to do is preach and of course he/she who preaches loudest wins?

I'll also take the opportunity to apologise to the hordes of people I've no doubt offended, seriously no offence intended, as I've said in the past it would be mighty boring if everyone agreed all the time.

Anyway, it seems like most of this has been debated to death, I don't have as much time as I used to and I don't feel I've got anything left to contribute anyway (other than poking fun at the cheerleaders  :D ) so I'll leave you to it, I may rejoin if something new emerges, or when the CCRC verdict comes in, but until then happy debating chaps and chap-esses, take care x.

I'm not sure why you felt the need to delete yourself. You could have just stopped posting until something interesting happened. It's now much more difficult to find your past posts.