Ann Eaton´s Notes.

[lookout]

Part of her toe nail polish was found on the floor in the kitchen below the mantle placing Sheila at the scene of the attack on Nevill in the kitchen. Forensic expert Peter Sutherst confirmed this, saying: “The red object is not paint from the mantle shelf. It is more likely to be a particle of red nail varnish from Sheila Caffell’s right foot since it is a close match in hue to her varnish and also matches damage to the varnish on her right big toe.”

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Hopefully no one here can believe such BS... That Sutherst can tell from looking at the kitchen photo that a spec of red is toe nail polish - oh and it just happens to be the correct shape and size. 

Wrong as usual. She wasn't missing a false nail. Where are you getting this from, if you can't show where you're getting it then the information is coming from YOU.

YOU'VE quoted her nails were intact--------I said it was her false nail which was found,CLOTH EARS !

[Patti]

Have you taken offence to that?? You have posted many times that you've been drinking..... You do seem giddy in your posts with Susan... You yourself posted that you're acting daft. Don't take offence, Patti. None was meant. 

Mat being daft is the real me. I have never been any different. I often act this way whether be it in the morning or afternoon.  I only ever drink on a Friday and cannot drink more that 2 glasses because I am a diabetic....so if I say I am drinking then i mean I am having a small glass of wine the rest is me being myself, which is a daft bugger at times and confidently messing with Susan because I know she has a sense of humour...There was a time when you would join in Mat. Its harmful fun that is all.  Anyway, frivolity ended...OK.

Back to discussion eh?

Sorry guys.

[lookout]

What case are you talking about? Since none of the victims in this case have scratch marks?

 BOTH, June and Neville had GOUGE marks ( not scratch ) on their arms.

You're reading your own version because the marks have been well publicised.

[guest154]

YOU'VE quoted her nails were intact--------I said it was her false nail which was found,CLOTH EARS !

Ah, yes. She was wearing ONE false nail... which she used to scratch her parents (these wounds then healed after death) - I'm being sarcastic btw.
You're good friends with Patti - perhaps you could ask her to read the autopsy report and get back to you because you obviously don't believe it or my interpretation of it, even though it's there in black and white. She will confirm to you, no scratches!!!!
You can repeat it as often as you like. It is not true.

 BOTH, June and Neville had GOUGE marks ( not scratch ) on their arms.

You're reading your own version because the marks have been well publicised.

More spin! Neville had marks that were believed to be old. June did NOT! You should be ashamed... these are real people, I don't understand why you do this.
As I said above, feel free to get Patti to read the autopsy report on the first page here.

[scipio_usmc]

How likely do you find it that Ann Eaton actually made notes of what Jeremy said and his conduct on the very morning after the murders?
Is it perhaps more likely that she made the notes at a later time, but claimed they were made on the very day?
I have never been able to wrap my mind around this.
A very traumatic day, for her too, how then could she act so rationally and take notes? Jeremy´s cottage was very small - how come no one saw her taking notes?

Also the practicality around it seems odd. Did she bring pen and paper from home? Did she use paper and pen from Jeremy´s place?

I have always found this highly odd and have a hard time believing it.

She tried taking notes anytime she spoke to police.  She tried taking notes When the family met with Taff Jones and Stanley Jones but Taff Jones told her to stop. Her claim she tried taking them seems credible especially since she recopied notes taken "on site"  later onto note cards.  Had they been written later simply there would not have been anything to transcribe to cards.

[scipio_usmc]

According to Annes own later statement she had heard the police discussing the silencer connected with the gun on the 8th august . A member of the family then told the police they thought JB was not telling the truth about why the silencer and sights were not on the gun. In her own statement she said they discussed the implications of the blood on the silencer as soon as they saw it.

So If her notes were made at the time you would think that yes the find of the silencer with blood and a hair  and the fact it was reported to the police  would have been significant enough to be noted.

She heard Jeremy tell police that the gun would not fit in the cupboard with the scope and moderator attached. When she told AP he said Jeremy was lying and told police this.  The family also brought this up at the meeting with Jones and Jones though neither seemed to care much.

After the silencer was found the others said it would make no sense for Sheila to kill everyone with it then put it away so they saw it as potential evidence.   It was collected along with everything else and police notified but at first police just wanted the moderator and made the family keep everything else till September.

Eaton thought the blood on it might be rabbit blood since Jeremy was claiming he shot rabbits the night before.  She was not aware that he didn't actually shoot any.  At trial on cross Rivlin kept bothering her about such asking why she thought it could be rabbit blood and she said the fact he claimed he shot rabbits with it and she didn't know anything about such guns only shotguns so didn't know what he might do with it that could get rabbit blood on it.

No one ever told her it might have Sheila's blood inside and that finding Sheila's blood inside would prove she can't have committed suicide.  That didn't cross her mind or anyone else in the family.  She thought it might be rabbit blood and if it was human blood then the value is simply to say it is unlikely she would bother to put it away before killing herself.

In her COLP statement she reiterated that she didn't recognize the true potential the moderator had:



After her testimony is when the lab presented its case and she realized it.  She said she didn't even look at it very close up so could not comment on whether it had a scratch or not on it.  If she knew it was significant she would have been nosy and looked closely at it with the men but instead she wasn't with them and kept doing her own thing. 

[Jane]

Possibly the index finger, with which the nail takes the strain,and also the one that most pressure can be put on when digging the nails in.

Lookout, you seem not to know the logistics of false nails. HAD there been an occurrence in which a false nail had been ripped off, the natural nail beneath it would have been GLARINGLY devoid of colour because false nails have to be applied to CLEAN and varnish free natural nails -there would also have been signs of the natural nail having traces of nail glue AND given the force necessary to rip a false nail off, natural nail damage. There is nothing in the PM report which states that ONE coloured false nail was missing. It really sounds as if you're trying to force this into a package where it doesn't belong. If a false nail was found I can only suggest that it fell out of her make up bag.

[Jane]

..........I am having a small glass of wine.  Its harmful fun that is all. 

 

If that's the result of a SMALL glass of wine, I'd HATE to see what a large one or three does. Perhaps your post should be transferred to "Freudian Slip?"

[Alias]

Awww, aren´t you all being a bit hard on Patti, she was just having a bit of fun with lovely susan - an activity I myself am guilty of on a regular basis!! Can´t imagine what you are saying about me...

[susan]

Awww, aren´t you all being a bit hard on Patti, she was just having a bit of fun with lovely susan - an activity I myself am guilty of on a regular basis!! Can´t imagine what you are saying about me...

Hello Alias

well said my friend. Patti has had a hard time of late and she needed a "laugh" and you know me Alias I just follow like a sheep as do you hahaha 

[Alias]

Hello Alias

well said my friend. Patti has had a hard time of late and she needed a "laugh" and you know me Alias I just follow like a sheep as do you hahaha 

 

[Caroline]

Hello Alias

well said my friend. Patti has had a hard time of late and she needed a "laugh" and you know me Alias I just follow like a sheep as do you hahaha 

Because there is an inbalance of fairness and equality.

[susan]

Because there is an inbalance of fairness and equality.

Caroline  Whoops I meant her life off the forum.  I was not aware she has had a bad time on it

[Patti]

Because there is an inbalance of fairness and equality.

Can you expand on that and point out where I am unfair.

[Caroline]

Caroline  Whoops I meant her life off the forum.  I was not aware she has had a bad time on it

It might be best to keep personal problems off the forum. We all have them, but maybe the forum should be a place to escape them?