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Offline mike tesko

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Cyclops members are very optimistic that once the first crime scene video footage covering the period between 9 and 9.30am, on 7th August 1985 is obtained, that this will result in a swift return to the appeal courts, with a view of quashing the convictions...
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Essex police have sought to deliberately withhold evidence of this video footage to enable them to prosecute and convict Jeremy Bamber of murdering his own sister, when all along the police themselves have had this footage confirming Jeremys innocence in the matter. To make matters worse, they have sought to use pii to prevent the content of this video footage ever becoming available to the general public on the basis that to release it would not be in the public interest, when the opposite is true...
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There is no doubt that what we are dealing with here is a state involved conspiracy, in similar terms to which occurred in the attempted Hillsboro' cover up...
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PS Adams said that at around 9am when he visited the main bedroom, that he had no recollection of the gun being present on the body. PC Wright the coroners officer, visited the main bedroom at about 9.25am, and he too does not recall the gun being on the body. Ron Cook arrives at the scene at 9.20am, but does not take control of the scene until 10 O'clock, yet when he does take control of the scene by that stage, the gun is laying lengthways upon Sheila's body. So, somebody placed the rifle from the bedroom window, onto Sheila's body after 9.25am, to enable Cook to see the gun on the body at 10 O' clock that same morning - then we have Cook saying that once he took control of the scene at 10am, that he removed the rifle from Sheila's body and made it safe, before standing the gun against the bedroom window in time for PC Bird to take photograph it there as per photigraoh 23...
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PS Adams said that at around 9am when he visited the main bedroom, that he had no recollection of the gun being present on the body. PC Wright the coroners officer, visited the main bedroom at about 9.25am, and he too does not recall the gun being on the body. Ron Cook arrives at the scene at 9.20am, but does not take control of the scene until 10 O'clock, yet when he does take control of the scene by that stage, the gun is laying lengthways upon Sheila's body. So, somebody placed the rifle from the bedroom window, onto Sheila's body after 9.25am, to enable Cook to see the gun on the body at 10 O' clock that same morning - then we have Cook saying that once he took control of the scene at 10am, that he removed the rifle from Sheila's body and made it safe, before standing the gun against the bedroom window in time for PC Bird to take photograph it there as per photigraph 23...

On this version of the events Ron Cook removed the rifle from Sheila's body at just after 10 O' clock that morning, and after clearing it, he duly stood the rifle leaning against the inner main bedroom window...

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So, between 9 and 9.25am, the gun is not laying on the body of Sheila Caffell, a fact established by two independant accounts, provided by PS Adams, and PC Wright. But by 10 O'clock the rifle is on the body in time for Ron Cook to remove it, and stand the rifle leaning against the inner part of the main bedroom window...

lets use this as the starting point by which we can reconstruct whatever else must have taken place...

Lo and behold, we then have PS Woodcock, who states that he removed the rifle from Sheila Caffells body and made it safe at precieely 11.10am, that same morning...
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We now know that DS Davidson took the video footage at the scene, between 9am, and 10 am, although no witness statement or report or corresponding pocketbook entry has yet been confirmed or disclosed. The reason for this as we have only just been told by an ex serving officer (Z) is that this material has been withheld under pii. Infact, Davidsons video footage comes in two parts, part (1) recorded on a video tape covering events inside the farmhouse between around 9am and 9.30am, and the second part of the events covering from about 9.30am to around 10am, recorded on the second tape. 'Z' has told us this week that the CCRC have been given access to part (2) of the footage, but not to part (1).  We believe that Jeremys legal team have had access to part (2) of the recording, but that the CCRC refused to let Jeremy himself view its contents on the grounds that its contents were too sensitive and shocking. However, Jeremy has been told by his legal team that the bodies of his family were used like props in the stage managing process involving the bodies of victims being positioned and then eventually photographed by PC Bird, as though the positions victims were photographed in by Bird from 10 O'clock onward, was the position the bodies had been in ever since police gained entry into the farmhouse at around 7.30am, which they hadn't been...

This rubbish about an informant just makes people snicker behind your back- most anyway I don't talk behind people's backs which some say is rude but I think it is less rude to tell someone to their face.  I say you are being dishonest others think worse of you (worse from my perspective anyway)- long ago I was told by a number of people you are xxxxxxxx xxx.  That is what people believe as a result of these tales do you really want people to think that about you? Surely you realize conveying such is only advantageous if one is hoping to avoid/lessen criminal punishment.   

 
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Hang on a minute, if PC Bird took photograph no. 23 showing the rifle leaning against the main bedroom window, as being the net product of Ron Cook having removed the rifle and made it safe before placing that rifle there, then how could it be possible for PS Woodcock to remove the same gun again from the body at 11.10am, if ever since about an hour earlier Cook himself had already removed the gun from Sheila's body, had made it safe, and had placed the same gun against the bedroom window.
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I have a simple question to raise concerning these alleged events - could somebody please tell me exactly how PS Woodcock could have possibly removed the rifle from a top Sheila's body at 11.10am, when Ron Cook had already removed it from the same body about an hour sooner, and had moved the rifle away from Sheila's body by placing it against the inner main bedroom window?

How did the rifle get back onto Sheila's body, once Cook had removed it, to enable PS Woodcock to remove it again, at the later time of precisely 11.10am?
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I have a simple question to raise concerning these alleged events - could somebody please tell me exactly how PS Woodcock could have possibly removed the rifle from a top Sheila's body at 11.10am, when Ron Cook had already removed it from the same body about an hour sooner, and had moved the rifle away from Sheila's body by placing it against the inner main bedroom window?

How did the rifle get back onto Sheila's body, once Cook had removed it, to enable PS Woodcock to remove it again, at the later time of precisely 11.10am?

Surely, no-one is going to try and claim that Jeremy Bamber himself moved it back onto the body...
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If the truth be known to all and sundry, then of course each and everyone of us knows that it must have been, that it must definately have been put back on Sheila's body, by a police officer...
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This brings me back to, who placed the rifle on top of Sheila's body after 9.25am, in order to enable Ron Cook to remove it from a top Sheila's body, and place the rifle against the inner bedroom window, in time for PC Bird to photograph it there in photograph 23?

Somebody put the gun onto Sheila's body after 9.25am, and it could not have been Jeremy, it had to be one of the dishonest policeman who did it, and who for 30 years or so, has kept his rotten gob shut...
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Step forward PI Ivor Montgomery - he also lays claim to having removed the rifle from Sheila's body, which he made safe, but when did he do that?
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I have a simple question to raise concerning these alleged events - could somebody please tell me exactly how PS Woodcock could have possibly removed the rifle from a top Sheila's body at 11.10am, when Ron Cook had already removed it from the same body about an hour sooner, and had moved the rifle away from Sheila's body by placing it against the inner main bedroom window?

How did the rifle get back onto Sheila's body, once Cook had removed it, to enable PS Woodcock to remove it again, at the later time of precisely 11.10am?

Woodcock noted he and Cook removed the gun. Cook suggested he is the one who actually removed it and that Woodcock simply looked inside to make sure there was no ammunition in the chamber but Woodcock said he picket it up.   They put the gun against the wall and after this the photo was taken by Bird.  The times are estimations written later at the station, they didn't have a sheet of paper where they wrote down at the time every step they were taking as they were doing each step. 



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Step forward PI Ivor Montgomery - he also lays claim to having removed the rifle from Sheila's body, which he made safe, but when did he do that?

Now, I seem to recollect having read somewhere, that Montgomery may have been requested to remove the rifle and make it safe from Sheila's body, by Ron Cook himself, which gives rise to the possibility that Montgomery was with Cook, when the rifle was removed from a top Sheila's body after 10 O'clock that morning. If so, does anybody know the identitity of any other police officer who claims to have removed a rifle or a gun or any weaoon at all from Sheila's body before or prior to 10 O' clock that particular morning?

No, there is nobody, and the reason there is nobody is because she did not shoot herself...

She was originally shot downstairs by the use of PS Woodcocks police issue rifle, and ended up upstairs on the bed in the main bedroom, with only a solitary shot to the neck. There was no rifle accompanying her body on the bed, and no rifle accompanying her body once police moved her body from the bed onto the floor. The only rifle present in the same bedroom with Sheila on the bed with only a solitary shot to the neck, was the rifle at the bedroom window which had been their continually ever since WPC Jeapes had noticed it leaning there from as long ago as 7.15am, that same morning...
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