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Yet, by far the most important parker hale silencer of all, was the fourth silencer to fall into the possession of the police. This was the parker hale silencer that Ann Eaton handed to police on the 11th September 1985. It was originally identified by the exhibit reference of AE/1, was later changed to CAE/1, and subsequentlybecame DRB/1...

Rather disturbingly, parker hale silencer, AE/1, CAE/1, DRB/1, was significantly different to any of the other 3 parker hale silencers ( SBJ/1, SJ/1 or DB/1), as will become apparent very shortly in a few moments.
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These 4 parker hale silencers (SBJ/1, SJ/1, DB/1 and AE/1, CAE/1, DRB/1) belonged to three relatives, and fourthly to Ralph Bamber...
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These 4 parker hale silencers (SBJ/1, SJ/1, DB/1 and AE/1, CAE/1, DRB/1) belonged to three relatives, and fourthly to Ralph Bamber...

One of these parker hale silencers belonged to Anthony Pargeter
One of these parker hale silencers belonged to Robert Woodwis Boutflour
One of these parker hale silencers belonged to David Boutflour
The last of these parker hale silencers belonged to Ralph Bamber (AE/1, CAE/1, DRB/1)
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One thing which everyone can be certain of, and that is that the parker hale silencer, AE/1, CAE/1, DRB/1, arrived at the lab' far too late to have been the silencer inside which had been found the key blood group evidence. It not being sent to the lab' to be checked for blood and fibers until 20th September 1985, by which stage the key blood evidence had already been found and removed from parker hale silencer DB/1 (23), that blood already positively grouped by 19th September 1985, and so not attributable in any way with the Bamber owned parker hale silencer, sent to the lab' much later on...
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Proof that different parker hale silencers were received at the lab' and examined can be found by comparing the sketches drawn of two different parker hale silencers, in lab' records, dated, 13/08/85 and 25/09/85. The parker hale silencers examined on both of these occasions were completely different ones, as confirmed by comparing the diagrams recorded in each, which are clearly different...
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Two parker hale silencers were present at the scene on the morning of the shootings, one belonging to Anthony Pargeter, the other to Ralph Bamber. Ds Jones took possessession of (SBJ/1) one that morning, and Relatives removed the other from the scene (AE/1, CAE/1, DRB/1) from the farmhouse on 10th August 1985. Peter Eaton handed over Robert Boutflours parker hale silencer (no exhibit mark) to DS Jones on the 12th August, which Cook took along to the lab' on the following day (Cook titled it SJ/1). Prior to 30th August 1985, David Boutflours parker hale silencer (DB/1 - 23) fell into police possession, and was submitted to the lab' on 30th August where it remained until stripped down by Fletcher and Hayward on the 12th September 1985, enabling them as they did to discover the key blood group evidence locked away inside DB/1 (23)...
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Two parker hale silencers were present at the scene on the morning of the shootings, one belonging to Anthony Pargeter, the other to Ralph Bamber. Ds Jones took possessession of (SBJ/1) one that morning, and Relatives removed the other from the scene (AE/1, CAE/1, DRB/1) from the farmhouse on 10th August 1985. Peter Eaton handed over Robert Boutflours parker hale silencer (no exhibit mark) to DS Jones on the 12th August, which Cook took along to the lab' on the following day (Cook titled it SJ/1). Prior to 30th August 1985, David Boutflours parker hale silencer (DB/1 - 23) fell into police possession, and was submitted to the lab' on 30th August where it remained until stripped down by Fletcher and Hayward on the 12th September 1985, enabling them as they did to discover the key blood group evidence locked away inside DB/1 (23)...

The Ralph Bamber owned parker hale silencer (AE/1, CAE/1, DRB/1) was handed back to Jeremy on or about the 12th August 1985, as a result of Jeremy confronting the Boutflours and the Eatons,  concerning alleged theft of property from whf belonging to his parents estates. As a result of this confrontation relatives handed everything back, including paintings, items of jewellry, firearms, firearm accessories, including ammunition, Ralph Bambers Parker hale silencer, and telescopic site, belonging to the same gun...
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Therefore, ladies and gentlemen, the parker hale silencer (AE/1, CAE/1, DRB/1) remained insitu back at the scene (whf) between 12th August 1985, and the 11th September 1985, until David Boutflour phoned police on 10th September, to report the previousfinding of it a month ppreviously (on 10th August 1985)...

As a result of David Boutflour contacting police by telephone on this occasion, arrangements were made to collect this (AE/1, CAE/1, DRB/1) parker hale silencer from Ann Eaton at the scene (whf), at a time when Jeremy was already in custody...
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Informant 'Z' has given inside information, regarding how Ann Eaton, returned with police to whf on the 11th September1985, and amongst other things, handed over to them, Ralph Bambers parker hale silencer ( AE/1, CAE/1, DRB/1), the telescopic site, and 350 rounds of ammunition, to the police on that occasion...

Albeit, these items were given AE/? Exhibit references originally, later altered to CAE/, and then subsequently converted into various DRB/? Exhibit references,.,
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The same sound moderator was not going back and forth to the lab' - what an absolutely ridiculous thing for anybody to suggest that it was.

Far from being ridiculous it is well documented that this is what happened.  Your claims on the other hand are ridiculous, totally unsupported and outright lies.  Even though the moderator had 3 different prefixes this truth is not enough for you and you make up the lie that there was a moderator marked SJ/1.  You already have credibility issues, when you lie in such an obvious manner it renders nothing you say credible and makes it easy for people to dismiss everything you post as fairytales and indeed you have no evidence at all to prove there was more than one moderator.   

The evidence proves a single moderator was taken to the lab August 13, subsequently fingerprinted, subsequently superglu fumed, subsequently fingerprint tested again, and sent to the lab for through testing at which time it was examined by multiple people. It was known as SBJ/1 on all the documents until police changed the references to DB - which featured other items ALSO marked DB at the same time such as the scope and extra rifle bullets- and notified the lab of the change.  Upon realizing David Bird already was using DB they changed ALL these exhibits to DRB. 

There is no evidence supporting multiple moderators or a moderator being submitted to the lab under anything than the SBJ prefix in August or September.  The original documents are all marked SBJ.  LATER they amended the documents and put the then current designation on such copies.  All that proves is that later they amended the documents it doesn't prove the moderator was submitted to the lab weeks or even months earlier under the designation that didn't even yet exist.  Your spinning is intentional distortion and it renders you completely non-credible.  Your fairytales about seeing photos that don't exist and meeting informants that don't exist further render your credibility in the toilet all you are doing is embarrassing yourself.

The closest to this ever happenning was on the 13/08/85, when Cook took the unmarked silencer to the lab' on that day, and he attached a brown CJA exhibit label to it which he marked SJ/1, that was signed by Cook and Howard. This was handed back to Cook that very same day so that it could be fingerprinred later (the details of which are covered in witness statements. This silencer was never returned back to the lab' bearing that unique exhibit reference. Somebody altered the exhibit reference for this silencer from SJ/1 to SBJ/1 at a later date. We know that by 29th August, this particular silencer (SJ/1) was still being referred to by that exhibit reference (SJ/1) because Cook took it upon himself to dismantle it, rebuild it, and screw it onto the barrel of the anshuzt rifle, and of course, take photographs of (SJ/1) at each stage of this activity. In the photographs he took, there is no brown coloured exhibit label attached to the silencer in question, but there is a white paper wrapped around the barrel which clearly indentifies this silencer as SJ/1, not SBJ/1, or DB/1, or AE/1, or CAE/1, or DRB/1.,.

There was never a moderator marked SJ/1.  You have zero documentation to prove there was because this is a claim you made up simply.  To support this lie that you made up you also made up a photo showing the moderator was marked SJ/1 but no such photo exists and that is why you can't produce such a photo.  You ridiculously claim you don't want to show the photo to us because you have no need to prove your claims it is sufficient to just tell us and we should believe you.  I would not believe you if you told me it was sunny out I would check a window first before going out. 

Your lies accomplish nothing except to assassinate your own credibility.   You intentionally didn't post all of Cook's trial testimony because you don't want anyone to see his discussion of the moderator.  Instead you want only his statements because he doesn't give a detailed discussion of the September testing by the lab. You also intentionally omitted the portions of the Dickinson Inquiry that detailed such and refused to post the COLP report that dismantles all your BS. 

Despite intentionally concealing the evidence that proves your claims false you still have no evidence to support anything you say.  You pretend we have to disprove your claims though you as the proponent bear the burden of proof and you have none.  Your supposed proof are photos and documents you claim you possess but refuse to upload.  Cook's COLP statement makes plain he marked the label SBJ/1 and wrote such on the Holab forms.  Thus we do have proof you are lying about it being marked SJ/1 and all your other claims are lies of a similar character.  They are not just mistakes on your part but intentional lies.
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Two identical looking parker hale silencers, in police possession by 12th / 13th August 1985, one marked SBJ/1, the other marked SJ/1...

There is no evidence at all to support that there were 2 moderators in police possession at any time in 1985 let alone on August 12 and no evidence of any exhibit marked SJ/1 let alone a moderator so marked.  You made up that it was marked SJ/1 and to support this made up claim you lied about possessing photos showing the moderator was had SJ/1 on the label. You have rendered your own credibility nonexistent.   


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Then, something of unique significance occurred - police came into possession of a third identical looking parker hale silencer bearing the unique exhibit reference of DB/1...

Parker hale silencer DB/1 was submitted along to the lab' for the attention of the ballistics expert, Fletcher, on the 30th August 1985. When it arrived at the lab' on that occasion it was given a lab' item number of 23, whereas on the previous occasion parker hale silencer SJ/1 was given lab' item number 22...

Your lies are old and worthless all they prove is that you are a liar and lack credibility.

There never was an exhibit marked SJ/1 and you thus have zero proof of such an exhibit you simply made it up.  There are similarly no original Holab forms indicating a moderator handed in on Aug 30 bearing the mark DB/1 and being referred to as number 23.  A SINGLE document exists marked 23 it is dated Aug 13 and it is one of the 3 copies of the Holab forms that accompanied SBJ/1.  Your lies just make you a joke nothing more.  You expect people to just take your word that you have documents that clearly do not exist. You ridiculously say you won't post the photos and other documentary evidence you possess because you don't want to.  You can't that is why you won't post it- the only way you can come up with such documents is if you take documents currently in your possession and doctor them.

 
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We all know, that is everyone who is genuinely interested, that two sound moderators were normally kept at whf, and that one of these belonged to Anthony Pargeter, and that the other belonged to Ralph Bamber. Anthony pargeter purchased his parker hale silencer in 1980,!whilst Ralph Bamber purchased his parker hale silencer in November 1984. The former had 17 internal baffle plates, the latter only 15 internal baffle plates...
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No information exists to confirm when the other two parker hale silencers owned by Robert Woodwis Boutflour, and his son David Boutflour had purchased their respective parker hale silencers, but both fell into the possession of the police as part of thier investigation into the 5 deaths - both silencers were later brought secretly to the trial by a police motor cycle outrider, but they didn't inform anybody that these steps had been taken, or why indeed they were brought to the trial in the first place...
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What a very coincidental set of circumstances, four parker hale silencers, 4 sets of exhibit references, 1st silencer known as SBJ/1. Second silencer known as SJ/1. Third silencer known as DB/1. Fourth silencer known at one time or another by the following exhibit references, AE/1, CAE/1 and DRB/1...
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