13 bullet cases in m/bedroom, yet no follower plate mark found on them...

[mike tesko]

Police didn't note any cartridges being different from others Oh yes, they did . The only ammunition at WHF was shotgun shells, pellets and 22lr rimfire cartridges Not recorded as all being of Eley type until on or after 12th September 1985 . The pellet gun and shotguns were not used in the murders You do not know that, and why did police take an interest in the shotgun? only the Anschutz chambered in 22lr was so Wrong the fact only 22lr casings were found is totally expected but not all Eley types . A different weapon being used which had been removed from the scene would give away that it was a mass murder staged as suicide murder Incorrect, since use of police weapon, in the shooting incident in the kitchen only fired one shot into Sheila's neck .  Police would have been wary had casings of a different kind been found. All .22 cartridge cases, bar one (.223)...

[mike tesko]

' Judge and Lawyers blamed for trial bias '

JUDGE SIR MAURICE DRAKE  was accused of failing to secure a fair trial for James Robertson.  The Court of Appeal heard how Judge Drake 'neutralized' an important defence point when there was gross inconsistencies between eye witnesses descriptions.  It was stated that prosecution counsel operated without regard to the proper rules, and failed to ensure the the disclosure of fingerprints.  Defence Counsel seemed ' patently not to have read documents provided, which shows a lack of proper legal administration.

 

[scipio_usmc]

On the 30th August 1985, Essex police submitted a batch of cartridge cases to the Lab' which were not identified as Eley cartridges. Yet by 12th September, they were being referred too as all being Eley type. What happened between 30th August and the 12th September, which transformed different types of .22 cartridge cases, into Eley ones...

The police simply called them cases they didn't bother to identify the brand.  The job of ascertaining the brand fell to the lab and the lab did so.

[mike tesko]

The police simply called them cases they didn't bother to identify the brand.  The job of ascertaining the brand fell to the lab and the lab did so.

The cartridge cases were not identified as ELEY types until one month after the shootings, which coincided with a switch in the direction of the investigations. There were separate investigations being carried out by Witham police, and Southend on Sea police, into the same 5 deaths, these investigations had different crime reference numbers, with different suspects accountable between 7th August and 7th September 1985, in the Witham investigation, Sheila was held accountable, whereas, in the Southend on Sea, investigation, a man called EDEN was the chief suspect...

[mike tesko]

There is no lab record disclosed which shows what type of cartridge cases were received at the lab' between 30th August 1985, and the 11th September 1985. The cartridge cases did not all take on the guise of being ELEY cartridge cases until 12th September 1985, onward...

What happened to all the original 25 cartridge cases at the lab' between 30th August and 12th September 1985?

[mike tesko]

Entries in the police property register describes them as .22 cartridge cases, not ELEY cartridge cases...

[mike tesko]

These are the finder of all the cartridge cases description of the 25 cartridge cases, found by DC Hammersley (SOCO):-

[scipio_usmc]

"Police didn't note any cartridges being different from others"
Oh yes, they did

Post evidence of which police identified some cartridge cases as being different.  You made the claim up like you make up so much of what you post.

Not recorded as all being of Eley type until on or after 12th September 1985

  Police chose not to take the unspent ammunition thus didn't note what brand the ammunition was.  Nor did they bother to attempt to ascertain and note the marks on the spent casings.  Their job was simply to take the casings. The job of identifying the casings falls to the lab and the lab did so in September.  Also in September the unfired ammunition was obtained and they checked with the seller to find out what ammunition Nevill purchased and checked his firearms certificate.  you try to spin conspiracy out of nothing and it doesn't work  it just makes you look desperate and dishonest.

"The pellet gun and shotguns were not used in the murders"
You do not know that, and why did police take an interest in the shotgun?
Because at the time they were uncertain whether it played a role or not that is what investigators are supposed to do- investigate.  The investigation revealed just the Anschutz rifle was used to cause all 25 gunshot wounds and also the beating to Nevill.

"only the Anschutz chambered in 22lr"
Wrong

I am fully correct, the Anschutz was the only weapon owned by Nevill chambered in 22lr and only weapon present at the time of the murders chambered in 22lr.

"the fact only 22lr casings were found is totally expected"
but not all Eley types

Yes it was totally expect all would be Eley brand since that is the only brand purchased by Nevill and all were.

"A different weapon being used which had been removed from the scene would give away that it was a mass murder staged as suicide murder"
Incorrect, since use of police weapon, in the shooting incident in the kitchen only fired one shot into Sheila's neck All .22 cartridge cases, bar one (.223)

The spent cases were all 22LR and the bullet in Sheila's neck was an unjacketed 22LR just like the rest. .223/5.56mm rounds are 55 or 62 grain, they are jacketed and they fly at a velocity 3 times the speed of the 22LR rounds owned by Nevill. 

[scipio_usmc]

There is no lab record disclosed which shows what type of cartridge cases were received at the lab' between 30th August 1985, and the 11th September 1985. The cartridge cases did not all take on the guise of being ELEY cartridge cases until 12th September 1985, onward...

What happened to all the original 25 cartridge cases at the lab' between 30th August and 12th September 1985?

The cases used in the murders were Eley cases- the only ones purchased by Nevill and only ones at WHF. They were recovered by police and not identified by police by brand as that was not their job. 

Your wild conspiracy stories are just that made up stories that make no sense and just make you look foolish and dishonest.  It is a waste of time even bothering with such pretense.

[scipio_usmc]

Entries in the police property register describes them as .22 cartridge cases, not ELEY cartridge cases...

I already said that how many times?  The police didn't try to assess what brand they were they had no need to that is the job of the lab not theirs.

[mike tesko]

The cases used in the murders were Eley cases- the only ones purchased by Nevill and only ones at WHF. They were recovered by police and not identified by police by brand as that was not their job. 

Your wild conspiracy stories are just that made up stories that make no sense and just make you look foolish and dishonest.  It is a waste of time even bothering with such pretense.

Her is the ballistic experts description of the cartridge cases in his witness statement:-

[mike tesko]

Why have police failed to disclose the identity of the 14 cartridge cases held at the lab' under exhibit reference MDF/100?

[scipio_usmc]

Her is the ballistic experts description of the cartridge cases in his witness statement:-

You failed to post the analysis section of his statement- on purpose because it states they were Eley cases.  He specifically said the unfired cartridges were Eley subsonic hollow points and then said the spent cases were the same.  I already posted such last week.  Your games are for naught why do you even bother?

[scipio_usmc]

Why have police failed to disclose the identity of the 14 cartridge cases held at the lab' under exhibit reference MDF/100?

You haven't established there is such an exhibit let alone what exhibit they were originally part of. since you make up claims about sea police and other things there is no reason to believe anything you say without solid proof.  That is a byproduct of making up things- lack of trust.

[mike tesko]

You failed to post the analysis section of his statement- on purpose because it states they were Eley cases.  He specifically said the unfired cartridges were Eley subsonic hollow points and then said the spent cases were the same.  I already posted such last week.  Your games are for naught why do you even bother?

Well, first of all, it would of course help if you had a better understanding of the Queens English, because Fletcher is referring only to "(part of 51), and (93)"...

Item 51 - DRH/23 was a cartridge and box
Item 93 - was in fact one Eley cartridge, with a spot of blood upon it (later altered into 29 cartridges). If you add the original item 93 to the 23 cartridges that Fletcher test fired in rifle (18), it produces a total of 24, which is one bullet short of the 25 in total which were fired during the shootings. The 25th bullet fired was in fact police ammunition...

So, your claim that all 25 bullets fired during the shootings belonged to the same batch of Eley ammunition, by drawing attention to what is mentioned in this statement extract, proves no such thing, since the 25 cartridge cases recovered from the scene, had the following lab' item numbers:-

24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 47 and 48...

None of these cartridge cases had a lab' iem number of (part 51), and or (93), so you appear to have got your knickers in a twist once again...