13 bullet cases in m/bedroom, yet no follower plate mark found on them...

[susan]

Scipio do you think Ralph received any shots in the bedroom?

[mike tesko]

You then admit they only tested what amounted to be part of June's blood trail around the bed not the entire rug.  This explains why they didn't find Nevill's blood in the bedroom since they only ended up testing part of the trail going from June's side of the bed to the other side- which was a trail from June.  This is a far cry from what you claimed of there being extensive testing without a drop of Nevill's blood found.  Extensive testing didn't occur.

You are again trotting out your ridiculous made up claim that DRH/1-4 were not shell casings but rather things seized from Julie's house and these 4 things were moved so that 4 shell casings could be added.  The initial day they ONLY inspected WHF and quite clearly the first 4 exhibits bagged and tagged by police would be from WHF not other locations.  So on top of not having evidence to back up your claims your claim makes zero sense and is clearly false.

You are obviously deluded because the facts are that not one drop of Ralph Bambers blood was found anywhere in the main bedroom, you are creating evidence in the dark recesses of your mind, the only person making things up is you...

There is there was no expiated blood anywhere in the bedroom from Ralph Bamber, non on the upstairs landing between the bedroom door and the top of the main stairs, non on the main stairs, non on the main hallway floor or walls, non in the entrance to the main kitchen, non on the kitchen worktop near the bloodied finger marks on the edge of the kitchen worktop, non on the telephone, not on the kitchen floor - I guess he travelled all the way from the bedroom with a mouthful of bullets and blood, holding his breath all the while, and then collapsed in the kitchen, because he ran out of breath and suffocated, and became an easy target for Sheila to finish him off...

The true facts are that the suggestion that Ralph had been shot four times whilst in the bedroom was a ploy adopted by the prosecution to try and undermine Jeremy's account about receiving a distress call from his father. They asserted that with a mouthful of bullet that Ralph would not have been able to speak to anybody on the phone, hence why PI Bob Miller arranged for four additional cartridge cases to be added to the batch of crime scene ammunition associated with the main bedroom. There is evidential documents to support what I am saying, unlike yourself who relies upon absurd speculation...

[mike tesko]

So, they claimed Ralph had been shot a total of four times whilst he was present in the main bedroom, supported by the introduction of four additional cartridge cases at the say so of PI Bob Miller, yet how could there be these four additional cartridge cases in the bedroom scenario if one of these four wounds had been caused by the same bullet responsible for one of the other three non fatal shots?

[mike tesko]

The Conspirators,  confused themselves by adding four additional bullet cases into the main bedroom scenario, when they only needed to add three...

[scipio_usmc]

Scipio do you think Ralph received any shots in the bedroom?

All 4 shots to his left side were received in the bedroom. The 4 casings from these shots were in the bedroom plus one of those shots was just a graze wound which resulted in the largest fragment from the bullet being found in the bedroom instead of in his body.  He was either sitting down when shot or in the process of rising because the trajectory of the shot to his shoulder would have had an upward incline had he been fully upright. It had a downward trajectory instead. If he had been standing fully upright then in order for Jeremy to shoot him in that location with a downward trajectory Jeremy would have to be standing on something. Why would he be standing on a chair or the like as he fired though?

Some people suggest the bullet that grazed Nevill and the casings were moved to the bedroom but such makes no sense.  Some of these suggest he was shot while going down the stairs but that makes no sense, he was shot on the left side and when walking downstairs the left side would be facing the wall.  So his left side would not be able to be targeted.

If he was walking up the stairs then in theory his left side could have been targeted but he would not continue walking up the stairs as he is being shot at, that makes zero sense.  It is obvious he was shot in the bedroom alone with June.  Nevill was shot 4 times, June 6 then the gun was empty and that is what enabled the progression to the kitchen.  Either Nevill went to the kitchen to arm himself and the killer attacked him first or the killer ran to the kitchen to get more ammo and Nevill chased and confronted the killer to prevent he killer from reloading but ultimately failed.



   

[scipio_usmc]

So, they claimed Ralph had been shot a total of four times whilst he was present in the main bedroom, supported by the introduction of four additional cartridge cases at the say so of PI Bob Miller, yet how could there be these four additional cartridge cases in the bedroom scenario if one of these four wounds had been caused by the same bullet responsible for one of the other three non fatal shots?

I have pointed out to you numerous times that 4 different bullets caused Nevill's 4 gunshot wounds received in the bedroom. The largest fragment from each of these 4 bullets were:

PV/2  (Shoulder)
DRH/5  (arm/chest Graze wound)
PV/10 (lip)         
PV/11 (jaw)

The only bullet that caused multiple outside wounds was the graze wound. It first grazed his arm then a small portion broke off and entered his side. The fragments that entered his side were so small Vanezis failed to recover them though they showed up on the Xray. The remainder of the bullet grazed his chest and then landed in the bedroom. PV/2, 10 and 11 were recovered from inside his body.  Each was the largest fragment of a different bullet. Thus 4 bullets total accounted for the gunshot wounds he suffered in the bedroom.

4 different bullets accounted for the 4 gunshot wounds he suffered in the kitchen, the largest fragment recovered from each of these 4 bullets were: PV/3, 4, 8 and 9.

8 bullets total accounted for his wounds.





 

[scipio_usmc]

The Conspirators,  confused themselves by adding four additional bullet cases into the main bedroom scenario, when they only needed to add three...

The one confused is you, or perhaps you are not confused at all but rather intentionally lying.

I have pointed out to you numerous times that 4 different bullets caused Nevill's 4 gunshot wounds received in the bedroom. The largest fragment from each of these 4 bullets were:

PV/2  (Shoulder)
DRH/5  (arm/chest Graze wound)
PV/10 (lip)         
PV/11 (jaw)

Naturally there would have to be 1 spent shell case associated with each bullet thus 4 shell casings.

[scipio_usmc]

Now, may be the time to reveal, that Ralph Banner did not purchase Eley .22LR subsonic hollow point ammunition on the 30th November 1984. He actually purchased 500 rounds of Eley .22 subsonic ammunition, so once you know this to be true, it becomes plain as a pikestaff that the 8 .22LR bullets fired during the incident, belonged to someone else, not part of the same batch of 500 rounds of .22 subsonic ammunition purchased by Ralph Bamber. This of course now means that all 25 bullets did not originate from the same batch of crime scene ammunition...

The subsonic ammunition he purchased when he bought the Anschutz was Eley 22LR Hollow Points.  The only other subsonic 22LR ammunition that Eley manufactured at the time was from the "Prime" line which is solid shot not hollow point. The only 22LR ammunition at the scene was Eley subsonic Hollow Points and this is what Nevill purchased at the same time he purchased the Anschutz. Making up that Eley subsonic Hollow Points were 35 grain failed miserably so now you are making up that he didn't buy Hollow Points he bought other subsonic ammo. When are you going to realize that making things up accomplishes nothing?

       

[susan]

Scipio any chance the killer used two different rifles because I always thought Ralph was near death when he was beaten so he must have received more than the 4 shots at that time.  Face on which side of the bed did Ralph sleep on?

[Alias]

Scipio any chance the killer used two different rifles because I always thought Ralph was near death when he was beaten so he must have received more than the 4 shots at that time.  Face on which side of the bed did Ralph sleep on?

The side Sheila was found at.

[susan]

The side Sheila was found at.

Alias thanks for that I am trying to figure out in my mind who was shot first June or Ralph.

[Alias]

Alias thanks for that I am trying to figure out in my mind who was shot first June or Ralph.

That is really hard to tell, but June was lying in her bed when shot, there was blood on her pillow. There was no blood on Nevill´s side of the bed. A bit strange that.

[susan]

That is really hard to tell, but June was lying in her bed when shot, there was blood on her pillow. There was no blood on Nevill´s side of the bed. A bit strange that.

Alias it is so strange and really confusing.  If June was shot first then Ralph jumped up he would have been shot in that position June lying down the blood would have landed on her pillow.  I think the killer ran downstairs to reload and was followed by Ralph who was shot again and beaten June tried to make it to the door of the bedroom and died in that position.  We will never know the answer we are all to a certain extent guessing.

[mike tesko]

The subsonic ammunition he purchased when he bought the Anschutz was Eley 22LR Hollow Points.  The only other subsonic 22LR ammunition that Eley manufactured at the time was from the "Prime" line which is solid shot not hollow point. The only 22LR ammunition at the scene was Eley subsonic Hollow Points and this is what Nevill purchased at the same time he purchased the Anschutz. Making up that Eley subsonic Hollow Points were 35 grain failed miserably so now you are making up that he didn't buy Hollow Points he bought other subsonic ammo. When are you going to realize that making things up accomplishes nothing?

     

Ralph Bamber did not purchase .22LR ammunition on the 30th November 1984, so the first thing you need to do, is take stock of what you have been saying:-

He purchased 500 rounds of .22 subsonic ammunition...

[mike tesko]

The one confused is you, or perhaps you are not confused at all but rather intentionally lying.

I have pointed out to you numerous times that 4 different bullets caused Nevill's 4 gunshot wounds received in the bedroom. The largest fragment from each of these 4 bullets were:

PV/2  (Shoulder)
DRH/5  (arm/chest Graze wound)
PV/10 (lip)         
PV/11 (jaw)

Naturally there would have to be 1 spent shell case associated with each bullet thus 4 shell casings.

He wasn't shot four times in the bedroom, that claim is nothing but a red herring...