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Offline mike tesko

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Panties with menstrual stains on them doesn't equate to her blood being found in the kitchen in a location that indicates she had been shot there or after being shot walked in/was dragged in but then left.

The facts are that Sheila was unwell, she was in the early stages of her menstrual cycle, she was hysterical and screaming abuse at an electricity meter reader a day or so before she shot and killed the others, she wrote out a suicide note entitled 'LOVE ONE ANOTHER', She sulked at the supper table when her parents were trying to lecture her about tge need for her to get some help with looking after the twins. She was suffering from the strains of rejection, she refused to talk to aunty Pam on the phone at around 10pm, forgetting to even say 'Goodnight'. Later, she howled and barked like a dog when police tried to communicate with her...
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The facts are that Sheila was unwell, she was in the early stages of her menstrual cycle, she was hysterical and screaming abuse at an electricity meter reader a day or so before she shot and killed the others, she wrote out a suicide note entitled 'LOVE ONE ANOTHER', She sulked at the supper table when her parents were trying to lecture her about tge need for her to get some help with looking after the twins. She was suffering from the strains of rejection, she refused to talk to aunty Pam on the phone at around 10pm, forgetting to even say 'Goodnight'. Later, she howled and barked like a dog when police tried to communicate with her...

LMAO, she was dead, the only living thing inside at the time was the dog.
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The facts are that Sheila was unwell, she was in the early stages of her menstrual cycle, she was hysterical and screaming abuse at an electricity meter reader a day or so before she shot and killed the others, she wrote out a suicide note entitled 'LOVE ONE ANOTHER', She sulked at the supper table when her parents were trying to lecture her about tge need for her to get some help with looking after the twins. She was suffering from the strains of rejection, she refused to talk to aunty Pam on the phone at around 10pm, forgetting to even say 'Goodnight'. Later, she howled and barked like a dog when police tried to communicate with her...


I agree that Sheila was unwell.............................

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LMAO, she was dead, the only living thing inside at the time was the dog.

Not only was Sheila alive inside the house as the raid team began its approach to enter the farmhouse at just after 7.15am wgen WPC Heapes first saw the rifle leaning against the bedroom window, but she was also still very much alive after Woodcock shot her downstairs in the kitchen. She was stiil a live after senior officers conducted 'familiars' in the bedroom upstairs, she was still alive after police surgeon Dr Craig pronounced her dead at 8.44am...

Collins saw Sheila on the floor in the kitchen, Ralphs body was never photographed on the floor...

Sheila had obviously washed herself down after removing her heavily bloodstained knickers, and inserting the tampon in the living room. I think that Collins saw Sheila just after she had put her bloodied knickers in the bucket in the kitchen. She heard  the raid team approaching and laid down on the kitchen floor faking death, an
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Not only was Sheila alive inside the house as the raid team began its approach to enter the farmhouse at just after 7.15am wgen WPC Heapes first saw the rifle leaning against the bedroom window, but she was also still very much alive after Woodcock shot her downstairs in the kitchen. She was stiil a live after senior officers conducted 'familiars' in the bedroom upstairs, she was still alive after police surgeon Dr Craig pronounced her dead at 8.44am...

Collins saw Sheila on the floor in the kitchen, Ralphs body was never photographed on the floor...

Sheila had obviously washed herself down after removing her heavily bloodstained knickers, and inserting the tampon in the living room. I think that Collins saw Sheila just after she had put her bloodied knickers in the bucket in the kitchen. She heard  the raid team approaching and laid down on the kitchen floor faking death, an

This is a perfect example of how you ignore the evidence and just make up what you feel like.  Jeapes was looking at the kitchen side according to her statement.  She saw something she thought could be a rifle barrel in the window of the box room.

Every single person who entered the house said only Nevill was in the kitchen.  You simply made upo from nothing that she was there, ignore the evidence proving she was shot with the Anschutz and instead say a different police weapon shot her that she was still alive after declared dead and lived a long time without bleeding out from her first wound despite it causing her to hemmorhage...

You ignore everything and just make things up. Anyone can just make things up at best that provides comic relief. Otherwise I makes people feel sorry for the wretch making the things up. Do you want to be seen in such a light? 

 
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This is a perfect example of how you ignore the evidence and just make up what you feel like.  Jeapes was looking at the kitchen side according to her statement.  She saw something she thought could be a rifle barrel in the window of the box room.

Every single person who entered the house said only Nevill was in the kitchen.  You simply made upo from nothing that she was there, ignore the evidence proving she was shot with the Anschutz and instead say a different police weapon shot her that she was still alive after declared dead and lived a long time without bleeding out from her first wound despite it causing her to hemmorhage...

You ignore everything and just make things up. Anyone can just make things up at best that provides comic relief. Otherwise I makes people feel sorry for the wretch making the things up. Do you want to be seen in such a light? 

 

WRONG...

The person or persons who passed and relayed the police radio messages subject of the log entries, 7.37am, 7.38am, 7.42am, 7.45am, and 8.10am, spoke about the bodies of one dead male, AND, the body of one dead female, two bodies downstairs, three bodies upstairs, one of the two bodies downstairs, was a murder, the other a suicide...
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The corner of WHITE / RED:-
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The red circle and red line shown attached to the corner of WHITE / RED, indicates the area where WPC Jeapes was positioned at the time she saw the rifdle leaning against the main bedroom window...

From her vantage point at the corner of WHITE / RED, WPC Jeapes could see the front door on ared side, and the back door on White side...
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From her position at the corner of WHITE / RED, WPC Jeapes would have had a clear unobstructed view of the rifle leaning against the main bedroom window...
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From her vantage point at the corner of WHITE / RED, WPC Jeapes could see the front door on Red side, and the back door on White side...
« Last Edit: April 10, 2015, 10:55:PM by mike tesko »
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From her vantage point at the corner of WHITE / RED, WPC Jeapes could see the front door on Green side, and the back door on White side, and the dining room light switched on...
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WRONG...

The person or persons who passed and relayed the police radio messages subject of the log entries, 7.37am, 7.38am, 7.42am, 7.45am, and 8.10am, spoke about the bodies of one dead male, AND, the body of one dead female, two bodies downstairs, three bodies upstairs, one of the two bodies downstairs, was a murder, the other a suicide...

The persons relaying the messages were told Collins saw a woman in the window then told upon entry that Nevill had been found and they ASSUMED that meant there were 2 bodies.  They never saw any bodies they thus didn't have any way to know anything for sure.  The people who ACTUALLY entered the house and thus are eyewitnesses ALL say 1 body was in the kitchen and that it turned out to be Nevill.

You take the claim of an old woman and old man which were the same person and then say it was Sheila though none of the logs or witness statements or anything else provides any support for Sheila being there if there had been different bodies then the bodies would have been June and Nevill because an old woman was supposedly in there and Nevill.  That though is according to non-eyewitnesses who misunderstood.  The eyewitnesses say there was just 1 body and it was Nevill.  SO you have decided to ignore the eyewitnesses and to just go by the claims of non-witnesses.  But then you disregard them too and make up that the old woman was Sheila.  Then you disregard the accounts further and claim she was alive though characterized as a body.  You further disregard the ballistic evidence proving she was shot with the Anschutz and claim she was shot by a police weapon.  You disregard the medical evidence that the second shot was fired seconds after the first because her artery was injured and there would have been substantially more blood flow if there was a large gap and if there was the gap you claim she would have died from blood loss before the second shot was ever fired.

Instead of following the evidence you ignore it and make up your own things.

The account from those who actually participated in the raid:

1) Prior to the raid Collins saw Nevill and based on the hair he thought it was an elderly woman.
2) Upon entry it was reported that the body in the kitchen was in fact Nevill

At this point the person keeping the logs assumed 2 bodies were found in the kitchen so noted 2 bodies int he kitchen

3) While on the stairs they used a mirror on the end of a rifle as a crude periscope to look in the master bedroom and saw June's body thus reported finding an elderly woman's body but never indicated where she was found.

This was reported as a second body found without revealing the location she was found.  The log already had already thought 2 bodies were found and had already listed 2 bodies as found so failed to note anything further when fed with a new account that 2 bodies had been found and old man and old woman because it was assumed such was simply referring to the bodies previously referred to.

4) After clearing the rest of the upstairs they found Sheila's body which had been hidden by the bed, and the boys and this was reported as 3 additional bodies found.  The location of these 3 additional bodies was not fed to those keeping the logs it said 3 further bodies found 5 victims total it didn't claim these 3 were found upstairs as you and other Jeremy supporters keep pretending.

So the reality is that the only body whose location was fed to those outside was Nevill's.  The location of the other bodies was never fed.  Through miscommunication non-witnesses thought 2 bodies were in the kitchen.   

Collins saw only one body through the window, every witness who entered the house saw only 1 body int he kitchen and the physical evidence proves the other 4 victims bodies all were where they died except Sheila was moved flat. 

The wild made up tales all fall apart under scrutiny and upon learning just how bad these lies are it turns people against Jeremy so these claims are not helpful. If he were actually innocent it would not be necessary to resort to such rubbish things of value would be identified.
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The persons relaying the messages were told Collins saw a woman in the window then told upon entry that Nevill had been found and they ASSUMED that meant there were 2 bodies.  They never saw any bodies they thus didn't have any way to know anything for sure.  The people who ACTUALLY entered the house and thus are eyewitnesses ALL say 1 body was in the kitchen and that it turned out to be Nevill.

You take the claim of an old woman and old man which were the same person and then say it was Sheila though none of the logs or witness statements or anything else provides any support for Sheila being there if there had been different bodies then the bodies would have been June and Nevill because an old woman was supposedly in there and Nevill.  That though is according to non-eyewitnesses who misunderstood.  The eyewitnesses say there was just 1 body and it was Nevill.  SO you have decided to ignore the eyewitnesses and to just go by the claims of non-witnesses.  But then you disregard them too and make up that the old woman was Sheila.  Then you disregard the accounts further and claim she was alive though characterized as a body.  You further disregard the ballistic evidence proving she was shot with the Anschutz and claim she was shot by a police weapon.  You disregard the medical evidence that the second shot was fired seconds after the first because her artery was injured and there would have been substantially more blood flow if there was a large gap and if there was the gap you claim she would have died from blood loss before the second shot was ever fired.

Instead of following the evidence you ignore it and make up your own things.

The account from those who actually participated in the raid:

1) Prior to the raid Collins saw Nevill and based on the hair he thought it was an elderly woman.
2) Upon entry it was reported that the body in the kitchen was in fact Nevill

At this point the person keeping the logs assumed 2 bodies were found in the kitchen so noted 2 bodies int he kitchen

3) While on the stairs they used a mirror on the end of a rifle as a crude periscope to look in the master bedroom and saw June's body thus reported finding an elderly woman's body but never indicated where she was found.

This was reported as a second body found without revealing the location she was found.  The log already had already thought 2 bodies were found and had already listed 2 bodies as found so failed to note anything further when fed with a new account that 2 bodies had been found and old man and old woman because it was assumed such was simply referring to the bodies previously referred to.

4) After clearing the rest of the upstairs they found Sheila's body which had been hidden by the bed, and the boys and this was reported as 3 additional bodies found.  The location of these 3 additional bodies was not fed to those keeping the logs it said 3 further bodies found 5 victims total it didn't claim these 3 were found upstairs as you and other Jeremy supporters keep pretending.

So the reality is that the only body whose location was fed to those outside was Nevill's.  The location of the other bodies was never fed.  Through miscommunication non-witnesses thought 2 bodies were in the kitchen.   

Collins saw only one body through the window, every witness who entered the house saw only 1 body int he kitchen and the physical evidence proves the other 4 victims bodies all were where they died except Sheila was moved flat. 

The wild made up tales all fall apart under scrutiny and upon learning just how bad these lies are it turns people against Jeremy so these claims are not helpful. If he were actually innocent it would not be necessary to resort to such rubbish things of value would be identified.

Look at the diagrams you idiot, it is not rubbish, you are rubbish, you are one evil lying cunt, a piece of rat shit, like the evil scumbags who murdered Sheila and pinned her death on her innocent brother...

LOOK at the fucking diagrams, and shut the fuck up, I am Right, you are wrong, the diagrams don't lie, but you do...
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For all those interested in the truth, here is a picture which shows the cladded part of the farmhouse (I have highlighted the portion of the farmhouse clad in stone, as opposed to red brick, by yellow outline)...
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From her position at the corner of WHITE / RED, WPC Jeapes would have had a clear unobstructed view of the rifle leaning against the main bedroom window...

There is a shed a hedge and tons of foliage in the way, she would not be able to see crap if she had been in the location you claim. Her location was behind the brick wall.  She says as plain as day the window next to the door was the kitchen window and the upper floor window she described was to the box room. 



This shows the wall she was behind and this shows all 4 containment positions your location is not where any containment position was.





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