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Re: Is Jeremy Bamber a Psychopath?
« Reply #1170 on: February 21, 2016, 03:28:PM »
It also suggests that, had he felt able to share what was happening, a terrible tragedy may have been avoided.






I agree ,but it also goes to show that truth and loyalty is as destructive as lying and deceit.

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Re: Is Jeremy Bamber a Psychopath?
« Reply #1171 on: February 21, 2016, 03:40:PM »





I agree ,but it also goes to show that truth and loyalty is as destructive as lying and deceit.

I've never doubted it, Lookout. I was acquainted once with a person who believed in "Tell the truth and shame the Devil". She believed it gave licence for "the truth" to be whatever was her opinion of it.

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Re: Is Jeremy Bamber a Psychopath?
« Reply #1172 on: February 21, 2016, 03:52:PM »
I recall my last ever visit with SH and the "flash of contempt" I witnessed on his face and in his physical actions, I'd never ever witnessed this before from him and I recall it well. In fact I'll never forget it. It was as though his mask had slipped and I saw the real SH for the first time. I left the visit early and never saw him alive again. His confession followed not after.... (I write with hindsight)

(Point 9) http://psychopathsandlove.com/identifying-a-psychopath-19-subtle-signs/
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Re: Is Jeremy Bamber a Psychopath?
« Reply #1173 on: February 21, 2016, 04:24:PM »
I recall my last ever visit with SH and the "flash of contempt" I witnessed on his face and in his physical actions, I'd never ever witnessed this before from him and I recall it well. In fact I'll never forget it. It was as though his mask had slipped and I saw the real SH for the first time. I left the visit early and never saw him alive again. His confession followed not after.... (I write with hindsight)

(Point 9) http://psychopathsandlove.com/identifying-a-psychopath-19-subtle-signs/





Pretty scary really after all the time with him. Although it is said that no matter how long you know or have known a person,you never get to know them,no matter who you are .

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Re: Is Jeremy Bamber a Psychopath?
« Reply #1174 on: February 21, 2016, 04:25:PM »
People who have had no first hand experience with a psychopath will have no real comprehension of how they can get under your skin IMHO.

Bob Hare admits he can still be duped..
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Re: Is Jeremy Bamber a Psychopath?
« Reply #1175 on: February 21, 2016, 04:35:PM »
People who have had no first hand experience with a psychopath will have no real comprehension of how they can get under your skin IMHO.

Bob Hare admits he can still be duped..

UK Prisons refer to psychopathy as anti- social personality disorder (also known as dissocial personality disorder & sociopathy) as does the DSM which in my opinion minimises this disorder.
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Re: Is Jeremy Bamber a Psychopath?
« Reply #1176 on: February 21, 2016, 04:46:PM »
 

Characteristics Of Psychopaths

There are many ways that psychopathic behavior can manifest. However, Thomas Sheridan has identified five characteristics that apply to all of them:

    no empathy or remorse.  Psychopaths do not feel the way your feel.  For whatever reason, your pain does not register with them as a valid concern. When they emote it feels false.
    invented personas to manipulate others. Psychopaths identify your inner weaknesses and use them to get you to trust and accept them.  So if you were unloved as a child, they will become the most loving parent figure.  Essentially they figure out your dream and appear to give it to you.
    uses pity to manipulate others. Watch out for the pity party.  Psychopaths cover their tracks and get you involved with through one sob story after another.
    mysterious past. Psychopaths often have vague histories. They may claim honors or military medals which do not in fact exist.
    high testosterone levels. This is a difficult characteristic to discern.  High testosterone levels are associated with impulsivity and risky behavior including sexual acting out.  It can also mean a tendency toward aggression.

It is important look for all five of the above traits before deciding that you are dealing with a psychopath. Notice your energy. If it is uncomfortable or if you feel it going away from you, pay attention. A psychopath is essentially cold in their interactions with others and has many ways to take your energy from you.


I can't really see this myself, as any average bloke might share one or more of these characteristics. Whilst I do think he was acting outside White House Farm that August morning to gain pity and throw people off the scent I find it hard to reconcile his need for hugs as a child with the cold, ruthless killer he was in my opinion not destined to become.
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Re: Is Jeremy Bamber a Psychopath?
« Reply #1177 on: February 21, 2016, 04:47:PM »
Does that include the fact that JB says he doesn't mind his own company ?

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« Reply #1178 on: February 21, 2016, 04:50:PM »
Does that include the fact that JB says he doesn't mind his own company ?
He also says he found it easier to adjust to life in Long Lartin Prison than Gresham's School, showing that he did have a problem,whether it was the act of being sent away at seven years old or the curriculum itself.

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Re: Is Jeremy Bamber a Psychopath?
« Reply #1179 on: February 21, 2016, 04:54:PM »
After I 'came out  ;D ;D' and admitted I thought he was guilty, he wrote to me saying that he knew I had changed my mind.

Good analogy Caroline! 'Coming out'

About 2 years ago I went back into denial - yet following the confession I was convinced of psychopathy?
My first letter from SH following his confession said - 'you possibly married a psychopath.'

As you say Lookout - scary stuff indeed!

How was SH able to con so many and for so many years?

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Re: Is Jeremy Bamber a Psychopath?
« Reply #1180 on: February 21, 2016, 04:55:PM »


Characteristics Of Psychopaths

There are many ways that psychopathic behavior can manifest. However, Thomas Sheridan has identified five characteristics that apply to all of them:

    no empathy or remorse.  Psychopaths do not feel the way your feel.  For whatever reason, your pain does not register with them as a valid concern. When they emote it feels false.
    invented personas to manipulate others. Psychopaths identify your inner weaknesses and use them to get you to trust and accept them.  So if you were unloved as a child, they will become the most loving parent figure.  Essentially they figure out your dream and appear to give it to you.
    uses pity to manipulate others. Watch out for the pity party.  Psychopaths cover their tracks and get you involved with through one sob story after another.
    mysterious past. Psychopaths often have vague histories. They may claim honors or military medals which do not in fact exist.
    high testosterone levels. This is a difficult characteristic to discern.  High testosterone levels are associated with impulsivity and risky behavior including sexual acting out.  It can also mean a tendency toward aggression.

It is important look for all five of the above traits before deciding that you are dealing with a psychopath. Notice your energy. If it is uncomfortable or if you feel it going away from you, pay attention. A psychopath is essentially cold in their interactions with others and has many ways to take your energy from you.


I can't really see this myself, as any average bloke might share one or more of these characteristics. Whilst I do think he was acting outside White House Farm that August morning to gain pity and throw people off the scent I find it hard to reconcile his need for hugs as a child with the cold, ruthless killer he was in my opinion not destined to become.

Indeed Steve... And why it is so difficult to comprehend imo.
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Re: Is Jeremy Bamber a Psychopath?
« Reply #1181 on: February 21, 2016, 05:00:PM »
Good analogy Caroline! 'Coming out'

About 2 years ago I went back into denial - yet following the confession I was convinced of psychopathy?
My first letter from SH following his confession said - 'you possibly married a psychopath.'

As you say Lookout - scary stuff indeed!

How was SH able to con so many and for so many years?

I 'came out' following the confession but it isn't the easiest of subject matters to get ones head around... And flitting back and forth in denial is quite normal..

Therefore I can totally understand why many people cannot get their head around this phenomenon - including many experts!
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Re: Is Jeremy Bamber a Psychopath?
« Reply #1182 on: February 21, 2016, 05:01:PM »
Indeed Steve... And why it is so difficult to comprehend imo.
I don't think he saw it as murder, but as a bit of a prank, evidently with no emotional consequences. He must have got wind of Sheila's musings on the subject of killing her own children and it germinated from there.

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Re: Is Jeremy Bamber a Psychopath?
« Reply #1183 on: February 21, 2016, 05:05:PM »
I don't think he saw it as murder, but as a bit of a prank, evidently with no emotional consequences. He must have got wind of Sheila's musings on the subject of killing her own children and it germinated from there.

It could have ONLY been murder! He knew it wasn't a 'prank' - psychopaths know right from wrong but choose to do as they please, regardless of the consequences.
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Re: Is Jeremy Bamber a Psychopath?
« Reply #1184 on: February 21, 2016, 05:06:PM »
Good analogy Caroline! 'Coming out'

About 2 years ago I went back into denial - yet following the confession I was convinced of psychopathy?
My first letter from SH following his confession said - 'you possibly married a psychopath.'

As you say Lookout - scary stuff indeed!

How was SH able to con so many and for so many years?

Just hazarding a guess here, but if a "significant other" is felt to be giving us what we see as being meaningful and necessary in our lives, it's going to take a jolt of HUMUNGOUS proportions before we're shaken out of lah lah land.