Author Topic: Is Jeremy Bamber a Psychopath?  (Read 124859 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

guest2181

  • Guest
Re: Is Jeremy Bamber a Psychopath?
« Reply #1110 on: February 20, 2016, 01:46:PM »
Shove or shovel?  ;D ;D

Looks like she already has one of those.  :))

Offline Stephanie

  • Veteran Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7614
  • The facts leading to the Simon Hall confession
Re: Is Jeremy Bamber a Psychopath?
« Reply #1111 on: February 20, 2016, 01:47:PM »

It's mainly with Sheila,not Jeremy.

Why not Jeremy?
“The only people who are mad at you for telling the truth are those people who are living a lie. Keep telling the truth"

Offline Stephanie

  • Veteran Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7614
  • The facts leading to the Simon Hall confession
Re: Is Jeremy Bamber a Psychopath?
« Reply #1112 on: February 20, 2016, 01:52:PM »
"Sometimes we become involved with disordered personalities because they have a compelling mask of sanity: they hide effectively their deviant natures and abnormal behavior. But we’ve also seen that psychopaths and other personality disordered individuals can’t maintain that mask on over extended periods of time for three main reasons:

a) they can’t keep straight all the lies and half-truths they tell us and other people, so inconsistencies and contradictions in their false stories start to become obvious in time

b) they don’t put as much effort into maintaining the false front since our value to them diminishes once the newness wears off and once they’ve gotten some of what they want from and

c) psychopaths form relationships in order to exercise control over others, which inevitably turns into  increasingly abusive and unequal relationships

It stands to reason that, after the honeymoon phase, something else blinds us to the truth about the psychopath’s increasingly obvious personality disorder: the power of denial. Sigmund Freud coined the term “denial” to describe a situation when a person is faced with an uncomfortable or difficult to accept fact and denies or rejects it despite all rational evidence that it has occurred. How often do people involved with psychopaths turn a blind eye to clear evidence of their lying and cheating? How often do they rationalize the psychopath’s wrongdoings, blame it on others, find excuses for it or accept the psychopath’s lies, projection of blame and (false) justifications? The more emotionally invested a victim is in the psychopath and the relationship with him, and the more he has succeeded in isolating her from others, the stronger the power of denial becomes.

As the Wikipedia explains, denial can take many forms, but all of them are a kind of willful blindness to an unpleasant reality:

a) simple denial: bracketing or failing to see the psychopath’s wrongdoings and bad character

b) minimisation: rationalizing away the importance of the psychopath’s wrongdoings (for instance, by attributing it to his immaturity, or human fallibility, or a simple mistake, or someone else’s bad influence upon him, etc.)

c) projection: accepting the fact of the wrongdoings, but blaming them on someone or something else
In her book Men Who Hate Women and the Women Who Love Them, Susan Forward also explains denial in terms of forgrounding and backgrounding of information. When people become invested in a toxic relationship, no matter how much they suffer as a result of their love addiction to a disordered personality, they foreground every quality they see in the psychopath and the relationship and relegate to the background all the information that contradicts that rosier picture of reality.

What ends up being in the foreground are subjective, fleeting and superficial impressions: such as the fact the psychopath occasionally makes you feel good through flattery or gifts; the fact that, when he wants (something) he  can be charming; the fact that he seems to cast a spell over you and others; the fact he excites you.

All of these “qualities” have nothing to do with what truly counts in a relationship: character. For those who stay long-term with a psychopath or any other personality disordered individual, character becomes relegated to the background precisely because psychopaths lack character. The only way to put up with the psychopath’s constant lying, cheating, manipulation, and exercise of dominance over you is to deny the importance of facts that show what the psychopath IS and focus instead on the superficial impressions and fleeting feelings related to the small (and fake) acts of kindness he sometimes DOES. False image becomes more important than real substance.

Psychopaths do everything in their power to maintain hold over their victims: by lying to them, by isolating them from others, by intimidating them and by rendering them dependent on them. However, the power of denial is the strongest chain that keeps people stuck in a toxic relationship with a person whose evil nature is undeniable.

https://psychopathyawareness.wordpress.com/2012/04/05/our-strongest-chains-the-powers-of-denial/
« Last Edit: February 20, 2016, 01:52:PM by stephanie »
“The only people who are mad at you for telling the truth are those people who are living a lie. Keep telling the truth"

Offline lookout

  • Hero Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 48670
Re: Is Jeremy Bamber a Psychopath?
« Reply #1113 on: February 20, 2016, 02:10:PM »
If someone,such as Julie,couldn't see or sense that Jeremy had a " toxic streak " within,say six months of their relationship,then she wasn't fit to do teaching.That's all I can say. She appeared intelligent enough when she was going out with him to have spotted something " not quite right " and had she noticed that,would have run for the hills before she got too involved with him. Anyone would if they had any sense.

Unfortunately it's only as you get older/wiser that you can pinpoint these traits in people and the best thing to do is mistrust them until you get to know them properly. I've never put my trust in anyone.That way there's no disappointment or shock.
My daughter is the same as I was talking to her yesterday and she remarked about posters online where some you " get a feel of " who are alright,yet others,instinct tells you to beware. It's the same in real life and does depend on instinct.
Daughter has of course had loads of experience in instincts as she's in border control and has been commended.   

Offline Stephanie

  • Veteran Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7614
  • The facts leading to the Simon Hall confession
Re: Is Jeremy Bamber a Psychopath?
« Reply #1114 on: February 20, 2016, 02:16:PM »
If someone,such as Julie,couldn't see or sense that Jeremy had a " toxic streak " within,say six months of their relationship,then she wasn't fit to do teaching.That's all I can say. She appeared intelligent enough when she was going out with him to have spotted something " not quite right " and had she noticed that,would have run for the hills before she got too involved with him. Anyone would if they had any sense.

Unfortunately it's only as you get older/wiser that you can pinpoint these traits in people and the best thing to do is mistrust them until you get to know them properly. I've never put my trust in anyone.That way there's no disappointment or shock.
My daughter is the same as I was talking to her yesterday and she remarked about posters online where some you " get a feel of " who are alright,yet others,instinct tells you to beware. It's the same in real life and does depend on instinct.
Daughter has of course had loads of experience in instincts as she's in border control and has been commended.

It took me 11 years Lookout!

Are you suggesting I had no sense and all the other things you've written about Julie?

You've put your trust in Jeremy Bamber - you are contradicting yourself again!

It has nothing whatsoever to do with age Lookout - anyone of any age can be exploited by a disordered individual! Wisdom does not come into it. I posted about this the other day.

I disagree with your daughter and you about the online community and how you both believe you can get a feel of who are alright etc.... 

« Last Edit: February 20, 2016, 02:18:PM by stephanie »
“The only people who are mad at you for telling the truth are those people who are living a lie. Keep telling the truth"

Offline lookout

  • Hero Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 48670
Re: Is Jeremy Bamber a Psychopath?
« Reply #1115 on: February 20, 2016, 02:18:PM »
It took me 11 years Lookout!

Are you suggesting I had no sense and all the other things you've written about Julie?

You've put your trust in Jeremy Bamber - you are contradicting yourself again!






I disagree with your daughter and you about the online community and how you both believe you can get a feel of who are alright etc....
It does depend a lot on the subject of discussion.

Offline Stephanie

  • Veteran Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7614
  • The facts leading to the Simon Hall confession
Re: Is Jeremy Bamber a Psychopath?
« Reply #1116 on: February 20, 2016, 02:19:PM »
It does depend a lot on the subject of discussion.

You've posted the subject of the discussion here;

If someone,such as Julie,couldn't see or sense that Jeremy had a " toxic streak " within,say six months of their relationship,then she wasn't fit to do teaching.That's all I can say. She appeared intelligent enough when she was going out with him to have spotted something " not quite right " and had she noticed that,would have run for the hills before she got too involved with him. Anyone would if they had any sense.

Unfortunately it's only as you get older/wiser that you can pinpoint these traits in people and the best thing to do is mistrust them until you get to know them properly. I've never put my trust in anyone.That way there's no disappointment or shock.
My daughter is the same as I was talking to her yesterday and she remarked about posters online where some you " get a feel of " who are alright,yet others,instinct tells you to beware. It's the same in real life and does depend on instinct.
Daughter has of course had loads of experience in instincts as she's in border control and has been commended.   
“The only people who are mad at you for telling the truth are those people who are living a lie. Keep telling the truth"

Offline lookout

  • Hero Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 48670
Re: Is Jeremy Bamber a Psychopath?
« Reply #1117 on: February 20, 2016, 02:21:PM »
You've posted the subject of the discussion here;






I meant what my daughter had been discussing elsewhere. She doesn't come on this forum. I think it was something on Facebook.

Offline Stephanie

  • Veteran Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7614
  • The facts leading to the Simon Hall confession
Re: Is Jeremy Bamber a Psychopath?
« Reply #1118 on: February 20, 2016, 02:24:PM »
I meant what my daughter had been discussing elsewhere. She doesn't come on this forum. I think it was something on Facebook.

Facebook, Twitter, here it's all the same -

If someone,such as Julie,couldn't see or sense that Jeremy had a " toxic streak " within,say six months of their relationship,then she wasn't fit to do teaching.That's all I can say. She appeared intelligent enough when she was going out with him to have spotted something " not quite right " and had she noticed that,would have run for the hills before she got too involved with him. Anyone would if they had any sense.

Unfortunately it's only as you get older/wiser that you can pinpoint these traits in people and the best thing to do is mistrust them until you get to know them properly. I've never put my trust in anyone.That way there's no disappointment or shock.
My daughter is the same as I was talking to her yesterday and she remarked about posters online where some you " get a feel of " who are alright,yet others,instinct tells you to beware. It's the same in real life and does depend on instinct.
Daughter has of course had loads of experience in instincts as she's in border control and has been commended.   

It took me 11 years Lookout!

Are you suggesting I had no sense and all the other things you've written about Julie?

You've put your trust in Jeremy Bamber - you are contradicting yourself again!

It has nothing whatsoever to do with age Lookout - anyone of any age can be exploited by a disordered individual! Wisdom does not come into it. I posted about this the other day.

I disagree with your daughter and you about the online community and how you both believe you can get a feel of who are alright etc.... 


It does depend a lot on the subject of discussion.


I meant what my daughter had been discussing elsewhere. She doesn't come on this forum. I think it was something on Facebook.

Nevermind what you and your daughter were discussing and where, what about the other points I've made?

Why are you diverting from your original post?

« Last Edit: February 20, 2016, 02:26:PM by stephanie »
“The only people who are mad at you for telling the truth are those people who are living a lie. Keep telling the truth"

Offline lookout

  • Hero Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 48670
Re: Is Jeremy Bamber a Psychopath?
« Reply #1119 on: February 20, 2016, 02:29:PM »
It took me 11 years Lookout!

Are you suggesting I had no sense and all the other things you've written about Julie?

You've put your trust in Jeremy Bamber - you are contradicting yourself again!

It has nothing whatsoever to do with age Lookout - anyone of any age can be exploited by a disordered individual! Wisdom does not come into it. I posted about this the other day.

I disagree with your daughter and you about the online community and how you both believe you can get a feel of who are alright etc....







I fully understand that you've been dealt a terrible blow in life. As with others in a similar situation,you tend to " use " your experience to " project " to others that because what happened to you,is a facsimile of Jeremy's case,it's got to be the same circumstances and everything else to go with it and this isn't the case at all. NO two cases are alike. 

Offline Stephanie

  • Veteran Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7614
  • The facts leading to the Simon Hall confession
Re: Is Jeremy Bamber a Psychopath?
« Reply #1120 on: February 20, 2016, 02:34:PM »






I fully understand that you've been dealt a terrible blow in life. As with others in a similar situation,you tend to " use " your experience to " project " to others that because what happened to you,is a facsimile of Jeremy's case,it's got to be the same circumstances and everything else to go with it and this isn't the case at all. NO two cases are alike.

Clearly not http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,7288.msg350710.html#msg350710
“The only people who are mad at you for telling the truth are those people who are living a lie. Keep telling the truth"

Offline Stephanie

  • Veteran Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7614
  • The facts leading to the Simon Hall confession
Re: Is Jeremy Bamber a Psychopath?
« Reply #1121 on: February 20, 2016, 02:37:PM »
NO two cases are alike.

Immoral individuals do immoral things...
“The only people who are mad at you for telling the truth are those people who are living a lie. Keep telling the truth"

Offline Jane

  • Hero Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 33773
Re: Is Jeremy Bamber a Psychopath?
« Reply #1122 on: February 20, 2016, 02:38:PM »






I fully understand that you've been dealt a terrible blow in life. As with others in a similar situation,you tend to " use " your experience to " project " to others that because what happened to you,is a facsimile of Jeremy's case,it's got to be the same circumstances and everything else to go with it and this isn't the case at all. NO two cases are alike.


Using our own experiences is all Steph or any of us can do, but I hope you'll forgive me for saying that I don't think you DO fully understand Steph's "terrible blow" because I haven't experienced empathy as being one of your strong points.

Offline Stephanie

  • Veteran Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7614
  • The facts leading to the Simon Hall confession
Re: Is Jeremy Bamber a Psychopath?
« Reply #1123 on: February 20, 2016, 02:40:PM »
Worth reading and discusses both psychopathic immorality and the immorality of non psychopaths...

http://journal.sjdm.org/10/10316/jdm10316.pdf
“The only people who are mad at you for telling the truth are those people who are living a lie. Keep telling the truth"

Offline Stephanie

  • Veteran Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7614
  • The facts leading to the Simon Hall confession
Re: Is Jeremy Bamber a Psychopath?
« Reply #1124 on: February 20, 2016, 02:48:PM »
I'm not here discussing my personal life - I'm here to discuss JB and the case against him. If I can make a comparison with the SH case then I will do for clarity..

I'm aware some individuals are unable to be objective and I recognise that some will attempt to goad me by being emotive.
« Last Edit: February 20, 2016, 02:51:PM by stephanie »
“The only people who are mad at you for telling the truth are those people who are living a lie. Keep telling the truth"