The killlers

[guest154]

He didn't do it out of choice. He didn't kill her with the first shot so he had to leave her to either bleed to death or survive to tell the story..............I don't don't think he had MUCH by way of choice.

Agreed. He had NO choice. What was he supposed to do, take her to hospital and admit it because she didn't die with the first shot. No, he had to shoot her again - stage the suicide - stage the phone call and follow through with his plan.

Yes, he had the choice not to stage suicide.

Leaving it open to interpretation as to what happened? A burgular breaks into the farmhouse and slaughters the family, including kids in their beds? BAMBER was the last one to see them all alive, of course he would of come under immediate suspicion and he wouldn't have the phone call to place him away from the scene.

[Alias]

There is no doubt Jeremy is guilty. I think there is doubt.

There is a mountain of forensic and circumstantial evidence. Together with a motive, opportunity and no alibi. I notice in all weak cases, the term "mountain of forensic evidence" is used. There were two things, the dodgy silencer and the testimony of a dodgy, criminal girl who miraculously escaped any charges.

You just choose to refuse to believe it on this incredibly weak reason. Which I already created a thread about. I don´t care about your threads.

Sheila shooting herself twice is just as unlikely. And you were unable to say how Sheila committed the massacre. So were you or anybody else.

[Jane]

Yes, he had the choice not to stage suicide.

 OK, my theory has his next moves worked out. Going on  your theory can you give a synopsis of what his next moves would be and say what might be the repercussions.

[Alias]

Agreed. He had NO choice. What was he supposed to do, take her to hospital and admit it because she didn't die with the first shot. No, he had to shoot her again - stage the suicide - stage the phone call and follow through with his plan.


Leaving it open to interpretation as to what happened? A burgular breaks into the farmhouse and slaughters the family, including kids in their beds? BAMBER was the last one to see them all alive, of course he would of come under immediate suspicion and he wouldn't have the phone call to place him away from the scene.

No one stages a two shot murder as suicide.

[Jane]

No one stages a two shot murder as suicide.

So what was his alternative?

[Adam]

Yes, he had the choice not to stage suicide.

He spent a long time planning the murder. Julie said this was his plan.

He had a few minutes to make a radical change of plan. But chose not to.

[Alias]

So what was his alternative?

I have said it so many times, but people just don´t accept what I say. So be it.

[guest154]

No one stages a two shot murder as suicide.

That's just your opinion. Thankfully the courts/police/prescution/COA aren't blinded by the two shots that they ignore everything else. I don't know what else you'd expect Jeremy  to do after she didn't die straight away from the first shot.

[Adam]

I thought two shot suicides have happened before.

Bamber may have known this. Anyway he had no choice. Sheila was still alive after the first shot.

[Caroline]

No one stages a two shot murder as suicide.

He did, he had no choice and like I said, why would he think it would be down to him to explain?

[Alias]

That's just your opinion. Thankfully the courts/police/prescution/COA aren't blinded by the two shots that they ignore everything else. I don't know what else you'd expect Jeremy  to do after she didn't die straight away from the first shot.

Not stage a suicide, leave the door unlocked and not make up a phonecall.
I have also said that many times now.

I have never heard about another case of a two shot murder staged as suicide.

[Alias]

He did, he had no choice and like I said, why would he think it would be down to him to explain?

Yes he did.

[guest154]

Not stage a suicide, leave the door unlocked and not make up a phonecall.
I have also said that many times now.

That would make less sense and be more risky than a two shot suicide.

[Jane]

I have said it so many times, but people just don´t accept what I say. So be it.

This isn't just about changing plan at the 11th hour, it's about possibly having to change everything which constituted  spin-off from the original plan working. Thus far, I seem to think that all you've said is that Jeremy didn't do it and someone else did. I guess that person wasn't Sheila, unless you believe her capable of two shot suicide, so perhaps you lean towards what Mike says.

[Alias]

This isn't just about changing plan at the 11th hour, it's about possibly having to change everything which constituted  spin-off from the original plan working. Thus far, I seem to think that all you've said is that Jeremy didn't do it and someone else did. I guess that person wasn't Sheila, unless you believe her capable of two shot suicide, so perhaps you lean towards what Mike says.

I have no idea what Mike says.

Multiple shot suicides do happen, the question is would a killer stage a multiple shot murder as suicide.