Do any former inmantes have any information about bamber?

[Stephanie]

http://www.jeremybambertestimony.co.uk/eric-allison

I can again see how a statement like this can be taken as fact but it is merely an opinion, no more. It also highlights how convincing individuals like JB can be. Without seeing the contents of the letters I can't comment further but I do wonder if Mr Allison's views have changed since he wrote this?

[Stephanie]

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/audio/2011/jan/30/jeremy-bamber-murder-appeal-audio

http://www.jeremybambertestimony.co.uk/eric-allison

I can again see how a statement like this can be taken as fact but it is merely an opinion, no more. It also highlights how convincing individuals like JB can be. Without seeing the contents of the letters I can't comment further but I do wonder if Mr Allison's views have changed since he wrote this?

I didn't listen to the Eric Allison interview in isolation, I also read some of the blogs, most of which disturbed me. Like this one for example; http://jeremybamber.blogspot.co.uk/search?updated-max=2014-12-31T11:33:00Z

Having read these, I can also see where some people have hung on to JB's every word. Some even quoting his usage of words in their own comments.

In the above blog, JB's first 2 paragraphs are about him, it isn't until the 3rd paragraph that he even mentions his deceased family. He even refers to them as 'secondly.' http://jeremybamber.blogspot.co.uk/search?updated-max=2014-12-31T11:33:00Z

"and I’m not sure if I can put this into words properly" why can he not put them into words properly? He has all the time in the world to do so and doesn't seem to have a problem finding the right words when he's talking of other subject matters. Does he struggle because he lacks empathy?

Before he states the above he states, "it seems odd to say this" I think this is a subtle clue... It would seem odd to him if he was lacking in these emotions. It has a double meaning. It wreaks of manipulation.

It’s as if somehow my fading memories of Christmas can be explained by saying they cannot have been as happy as I have portrayed them to be. Yet they really were happy times. look at the contradiction, of which there will no doubt be many throughout his text..... Happy or sad, wouldn't make any difference on his memory. Unless he is again manipulating and wanting the reader to believe bad things happened to him?

[lookout]

There's an easy answer to that - he didn't think he would get caught. It was everything about money!!

Why would you have read about a similar case where the 'perpetrator' got away with it? If they got away with it no one would know! But there are quite a few instances of murder for gain.

He must be very backward if he didn't think he'd be caught considering he must have known he'd be the only family member left. Perhaps not a psychopath------------just a raving lunatic.
He wasn't in debt ( which is usually a marker ) He had a regular well-paid job ( which is another marker if you haven't ) and he had no money worries ( yet another reason why people kill----desperation )

I thought psychopaths were clever enough NOT to get caught. Though in my estimation,Jeremy wasn't clever,intelligent,but not clever. A clever man wouldn't have told police how to get in through a window,nor would he have disposed of a silencer by putting it back in the cupboard----dirty.A clever man wouldn't have rang the police-period !! Because by doing so,he implicated himself straight away. A clever man would have kept his moth shut at all times and not given police any information until a lawyer was present.Clever ? I don't think so.

Sheila was the one with money worries,health worries,marriage worries,debts,no job,loneliness,unloved.etc etc.constant battles with her mother.

[Stephanie]

"Christmas celebrations in prison were once upon a time quite jolly affairs with the wings being decorated and a tree would go up too. The food from the hotplate/server would be a bit different and appropriately festive. We’d even be given little treats like a chocolate bar, a can of pop and a tangerine. Perhaps we’d put on a play and there would be various Christmas competitions where small prizes could be won. This sort of Christmas fun had almost completely disappeared by the end of the 1990’s for various reasons including cost cutting."


More lies. Prisons to this day still do things like the above. More manipulation and sympathy seeking.

[Stephanie]

He must be very backward if he didn't think he'd be caught considering he must have known he'd be the only family member left. Perhaps not a psychopath------------just a raving lunatic.
He wasn't in debt ( which is usually a marker ) He had a regular well-paid job ( which is another marker if you haven't ) and he had no money worries ( yet another reason why people kill----desperation )

I thought psychopaths were clever enough NOT to get caught. Though in my estimation,Jeremy wasn't clever,intelligent,but not clever. A clever man wouldn't have told police how to get in through a window,nor would he have disposed of a silencer by putting it back in the cupboard----dirty.A clever man wouldn't have rang the police-period !! Because by doing so,he implicated himself straight away. A clever man would have kept his moth shut at all times and not given police any information until a lawyer was present.Clever ? I don't think so.

Sheila was the one with money worries,health worries,marriage worries,debts,no job,loneliness,unloved.etc etc.constant battles with her mother.

I believe you are mislead by believing 'being in debt' is an indication marker for a crime such as this Lookout. Psychopaths take glee or elation from dropping subtle hints or clues and getting away with a fast one, it's what drives them. They are invincible in their eyes. They get excitement from not being caught.

[Stephanie]

He must be very backward if he didn't think he'd be caught considering he must have known he'd be the only family member left. Perhaps not a psychopath------------just a raving lunatic.
He wasn't in debt ( which is usually a marker ) He had a regular well-paid job ( which is another marker if you haven't ) and he had no money worries ( yet another reason why people kill----desperation )

I thought psychopaths were clever enough NOT to get caught. Though in my estimation,Jeremy wasn't clever,intelligent,but not clever. A clever man wouldn't have told police how to get in through a window,nor would he have disposed of a silencer by putting it back in the cupboard----dirty.A clever man wouldn't have rang the police-period !! Because by doing so,he implicated himself straight away. A clever man would have kept his moth shut at all times and not given police any information until a lawyer was present.Clever ? I don't think so.

I believe it's a misconception to think psychopaths are intelligent - it is their manipulation tactics that will have you believe this. Dependent also on the mask they are wearing at that particular time..... And who they are communicating with.....

Another indicator for psychopathy are there contradictions and inconsistencies http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/02/psychopathic_behavior_and_leaders.html


https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=cqLhAQAAQBAJ&pg=PA318&lpg=PA318&dq=psychopaths+and+contradictions&source=bl&ots=CPwPyR7ZcT&sig=yGqcwoId7MrybbyMLdHu5cUlsG0&hl=en&sa=X&ei=tVgZVcGnKqPW7gb7m4HICg&ved=0CDQQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=psychopaths%20and%20contradictions&f=false

[Caroline]

He must be very backward if he didn't think he'd be caught considering he must have known he'd be the only family member left. Perhaps not a psychopath------------just a raving lunatic.
He wasn't in debt ( which is usually a marker ) He had a regular well-paid job ( which is another marker if you haven't ) and he had no money worries ( yet another reason why people kill----desperation )

I thought psychopaths were clever enough NOT to get caught. Though in my estimation,Jeremy wasn't clever,intelligent,but not clever. A clever man wouldn't have told police how to get in through a window,nor would he have disposed of a silencer by putting it back in the cupboard----dirty.A clever man wouldn't have rang the police-period !! Because by doing so,he implicated himself straight away. A clever man would have kept his moth shut at all times and not given police any information until a lawyer was present.Clever ? I don't think so.

Sheila was the one with money worries,health worries,marriage worries,debts,no job,loneliness,unloved.etc etc.constant battles with her mother.

Not backward at all - just VERY arrogant (and he has been described by many as such) and yes, of course he knew he was the only family member left - he played it that way to inherit the lot. He also played it so his sister would be blamed. You don't have to have any money worries to kill for gain - you just have to be incredibly greedy with a sense of 'entitlement'.

How many psychopaths do you think are in the prison system? If your statement were true, there wouldn't be any.

[lookout]

 Jeremy was too mouthy to be a killer. What sort of a person broadcasts that he's going to kill his family,even down to telling of the motive ? RWB knew---JM knew,and both passed on his intentions,so was he hoping to be caught ?

[Stephanie]

Sheila was the one with money worries,health worries,marriage worries,debts,no job,loneliness,unloved.etc etc.constant battles with her mother.

But these things do not maketh a murderer. If that were the case I think the female prison population would be far far higher than it is.

[Stephanie]

What sort of a person broadcasts that he's going to kill his family,even down to telling of the motive ? RWB knew---JM knew,and both passed on his intentions,so was he hoping to be caught ?

You would be surprised Lookout.

He was hoping to get away with it.

Again I state, Psychopaths get excitement from dropping subtle hints, it gives them a buzz.

[lookout]

 The way the case went,and IF he'd carried out the murders,for some inexplicable reason,he WANTED to be caught,then I'd say it was the most straightforward murder case in history !? 
That's the only other way that my mind thinks if I was to look at it another way, other than I say that he's innocent.

[Caroline]

The way the case went,and IF he'd carried out the murders,for some inexplicable reason,he WANTED to be caught,then I'd say it was the most straightforward murder case in history !? 
That's the only other way that my mind thinks if I was to look at it another way, other than I say that he's innocent.

Of course he didn't want to be caught which is why he set his sister up.

[Caroline]

Jeremy was too mouthy to be a killer. What sort of a person broadcasts that he's going to kill his family,even down to telling of the motive ? RWB knew---JM knew,and both passed on his intentions,so was he hoping to be caught ?

He didn't tell anyone that he killed the family, he made up the hit man tale.

[lookout]

You would be surprised Lookout.

He was hoping to get away with it.

Again I state, Psychopaths get excitement from dropping subtle hints, it gives them a buzz.

Steph,how can you possibly get away with it after having told two people of your intentions ? It doesn't make sense. This is why I said that IF Jeremy had done it,he really wanted to be caught.

I wouldn't call that psychopathy,I'd call it sheer lunacy-----(which would have been diagnosed )

[lookout]

Of course he didn't want to be caught which is why he set his sister up.

A very poor back-up if he thought he was going to be believed. 8 stone against 12/13 stone ? Only another idiot would have argued against that.