Who Pays?

[guest2181]

One curiosity I have, is who pays for the research, legal expertise and experts fees?

I have no idea about legal aid, but I'd be surprised if Jeremy was entitled to it for any submissions to the CCRC, maybe only if the CCRC sent the case to the court of appeal.

So who pays?

The last person to represent Jeremy, was, I believe, working for free, perhaps with a view to potentially obtain fees through legal aid further down the line.

There were all sorts of American experts who provided opinions in the last round of submissions to the CCRC, I can't see them working for nothing.

He has no family to support him either.

Is it all funded by donations? Who would donate, has anybody on the forum done so?

As I say, it's just a curiosity,  maybe I've over estimated how much these things actually cost. 

[susan]

Hartley I do believe Jeremy is funded by donations only and he does receive them from his supporters quite substantial ones I believe.  I am led to believe his Campaign Team are preparing submissions without legal help I read this on a site I was a member of and the guy posting the information said he was busy preparing submissions now whether things have changed since then which was late last year I don't know cannot remember his name but he is a member of the Campaign Team. I think Jeremy may have a new Legal Team since all that last year following the departure of Simon MacKay.

[Patti]

I do know that Robinson publishers paid for Herb's report as a good will gesture for Wilkes book.  But Herb was limited because he was not aware of all the facts, meaning he did not have all the crime scene photographs to work on.  I do believe that he had said that he had spent enough time of this and that if he was go any further he would have to be paid extra for the work.

No one works for nothing, so this makes it extremely difficult for those who are incarcerated who protest their innocence.

Money talks and if you have none then, then its not very good...

Legal aid is not available in most cases today.....the government have tightened its belt.

I don't know if anyone is funding Jeremy, I would think he is reliable on funds to help support his case and make new submissions to the CCRC.  Who funds him I have no idea.  I suppose if you are clever enough and in the know, then anyone can make a submission to the CCRC? I doubt you have to be a qualified solicitor these days.  If a firm can gain some publicity, then that firm might take on the case pro bono. IMO....that is. 

[Patti]

Hartley I do believe Jeremy is funded by donations only and he does receive them from his supporters quite substantial ones I believe.  I am led to believe his Campaign Team are preparing submissions without legal help I read this on a site I was a member of and the guy posting the information said he was busy preparing submissions now whether things have changed since then which was late last year I don't know cannot remember his name but he is a member of the Campaign Team. I think Jeremy may have a new Legal Team since all that last year following the departure of Simon MacKay.

I think you are right Susan...Great post btw. 

[guest2181]

Yes, both are good posts.

Okay, let's take it away from the Bamber case a bit, when JB put his case to the ECHR, there were two other whole life tariff convicts who were grouped together, the other two were not controversial with regards to their guilt and they were pretty nasty crimes. Who funded their bids, donations?

[Patti]

Yes, both are good posts.

Okay, let's take it away from the Bamber case a bit, when JB put his case to the ECHR, there were two other whole life tariff convicts who were grouped together, the other two were not controversial with regards to their guilt and they were pretty nasty crimes. Who funded their bids, donations?

I don't know and that is a good question. Vinter and Moore as you say have admitted their guilt...but who foot the bill?? It was nothing to do with Jeremy's solicitor, but an old friend who had represented him from the past....I cannot recall his name, but if you tell me, I will remember it..he was a young lad. 

[guest154]

Supporters do Hartley. When I first joined this forum, a certain person I was close to was being asked to donate to have some U.S tests done - the fee was astronomical.

[David1819]

Supporters do Hartley. When I first joined this forum, a certain person I was close to was being asked to donate to have some U.S tests done - the fee was astronomical.

what tests where they?

[guest154]

what tests where they?

I'm not 100% sure, so I shouldn't guess - but if I had to pick something I would say I was 60% sure it was tests to prove a silencer was not fitted.

[lookout]

I have read that some tests were funded through compensation that Jeremy had received via injuries sustained after the glassing incident. That money would probably have come out of the prison funds for injuries that occur on the premises.
Jeremy was also reimbursed for the theft of a" Gameboy" or similar. He also saves so much from an allowance that prisoners receive,but that wouldn't be a great fortune. Other than that,I wouldn't know the financial side of who pays what.

[ngb1066]

One curiosity I have, is who pays for the research, legal expertise and experts fees?

I have no idea about legal aid, but I'd be surprised if Jeremy was entitled to it for any submissions to the CCRC, maybe only if the CCRC sent the case to the court of appeal.

So who pays?

The last person to represent Jeremy, was, I believe, working for free, perhaps with a view to potentially obtain fees through legal aid further down the line.

There were all sorts of American experts who provided opinions in the last round of submissions to the CCRC, I can't see them working for nothing.

He has no family to support him either.

Is it all funded by donations? Who would donate, has anybody on the forum done so?

As I say, it's just a curiosity,  maybe I've over estimated how much these things actually cost. 

There is no legal aid for CCRC submissions.  Simon McKay acted pro bono, both in relation to the submissions to the CCRC and the subsequent Judicial Review application.  If the CCRC had rerred the case to the Court of Appeal legal aid would have been granted automatically, as it was for the 2002 appeal.

The reports from the pathologists in New York and the burns expert in Arizona were paid for using donations.

 

[ngb1066]

Yes, both are good posts.

Okay, let's take it away from the Bamber case a bit, when JB put his case to the ECHR, there were two other whole life tariff convicts who were grouped together, the other two were not controversial with regards to their guilt and they were pretty nasty crimes. Who funded their bids, donations?

The ECHR application was I believe covered by legal aid, although I am not 100% sure about that.

[ngb1066]

I have read that some tests were funded through compensation that Jeremy had received via injuries sustained after the glassing incident. That money would probably have come out of the prison funds for injuries that occur on the premises.
Jeremy was also reimbursed for the theft of a" Gameboy" or similar. He also saves so much from an allowance that prisoners receive,but that wouldn't be a great fortune. Other than that,I wouldn't know the financial side of who pays what.

All funded by donations.

[lookout]

All funded by donations.

Thanks for that,ngb. They must think that Jeremy's cause is worth fighting for.

[Caroline]

Thanks for that,ngb. They must think that Jeremy's cause is worth fighting for.

As long as they don't ask too many questions about what the money is for!