Why did two Jurors believe Jeremy was not guilty?

[Patti]

Ha! I was just about to post a link to that.


jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,618.msg13754.html#msg13754

 

Note the references he gives about the disruption in the kitchen...

[guest2181]

Note the references he gives about the disruption in the kitchen...

Not sure what you mean? 

[Caroline]

Note the references he gives about the disruption in the kitchen...

He mentions the same two statements we discussed last week and doesn't say that the TFG spilled the sugar, just that it was confined to an area under the table. The fact remains that Cook and AE were a secondary source of information while the TFG officer was a primary and he said he saw sugar on the floor when he entered the kitchen.

[scipio_usmc]

Have they ever given their reasons why?

Had one more Juror sided with him he would be not guilty. such a close call. 

It could have been for very stupid reasons so might be better not to know.

Some of the OJ Simpson jurors decided to speak up and they looked like morons in the process saying things like a lot of people have the same blood type and they didn't comprehend the great odds they were given for the DNA being from someone else meant it had to be Simpson's. That speaks to their stupidity but also the ineffective job the prosecution did of explaining it to them well.  More attention usually goes to the prosecution allowing Simpson to try a glove on over another glove knowing the gloves shrunk so would not fit.  That was considered the biggest blunder but they didn't do a good job of explaining the evidence to people who were not that smart and that hurt big time.

Seinfeld did a spoof of the glove with a lady you tried on the bra over her clothes and said it was too small:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fh6ZAIstHTU

[Caroline]

It could have been for very stupid reasons so might be better not to know.

Some of the OJ Simpson jurors decided to speak up and they looked like morons in the process saying things like a lot of people have the same blood type and they didn't comprehend the great odds they were given for the DNA being from someone else meant it had to be Simpson's. That speaks to their stupidity but also the ineffective job the prosecution did of explaining it to them well.  More attention usually goes to the prosecution allowing Simpson to try a glove on over another glove knowing the gloves shrunk so would not fit.  That was considered the biggest blunder but they didn't do a good job of explaining the evidence to people who were not that smart and that hurt big time.

Seinfeld did a spoof of the glove with a lady you tried on the bra over her clothes and said it was too small:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fh6ZAIstHTU

I LOVE Seinfeld - the repeats are on TV quite regularly!!

[scipio_usmc]

I LOVE Seinfeld - the repeats are on TV quite regularly!!

It is one of the best sitcoms of all time. No matter what I am discussing I can probably find some way of integrating a Seinfeld reference. Though it was "a show about nothing" there was always so much going on and what one of them did always had repercussions on the others. 

They are all good but my favorite episodes were the "shrinkage" one when they spent the weekend on Long Island; when they went to the mall with Kramer and could not find his car;  when Kramer burned down the cabin (that belonged to Susan's parents) and when Kramer and Newman were taking the cans to Michigan and JFK's golf clubs got lobbed at the.   Susan dying was the main thing they did that wasn't really funny.

[Caroline]

It is one of the best sitcoms of all time. No matter what I am discussing I can probably find some way of integrating a Seinfeld reference. Though it was "a show about nothing" there was always so much going on and what one of them did always had repercussions on the others. 

They are all good but my favorite episodes were the "shrinkage" one when they spent the weekend on Long Island; when they went to the mall with Kramer and could not find his car;  when Kramer burned down the cabin (that belonged to Susan's parents) and when Kramer and Newman were taking the cans to Michigan and JFK's golf clubs got lobbed at the.   Susan dying was the main thing they did that wasn't really funny.

I LOVE the one at the mall when they couldn't find the car :D!! I also think George's mum and dad are brilliant - they remind me of Raymond's parents in 'Everybody Loves Raymond'. I guess you also like 'Curb Your Enthusiasm'? Brilliant stuff!! :D

Changing the subject - do you know anything about this case Scip http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/31/national/31shoot.html?_r=0 - Just watched a docu on TV tonight and it have many similarities to the Bamber case??

[scipio_usmc]

I LOVE the one at the mall when they couldn't find the car :D!! I also think George's mum and dad are brilliant - they remind me of Raymond's parents in 'Everybody Loves Raymond'. I guess you also like 'Curb Your Enthusiasm'? Brilliant stuff!! :D

Changing the subject - do you know anything about this case Scip http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/31/national/31shoot.html?_r=0 - Just watched a docu on TV tonight and it have many similarities to the Bamber case??

What I know about it is that conspiracy theories abound. His sister survived her wound and after she recovered a cop who befriended her was charged with statutory rape. Some suggest he was involved with her before the murders and involved in the murders in some way.  I don't recall what some of the other claims were.

I recall that for some reason he didn't want to go to his graduation so something had to be wrong. Some said he was scared of guns and loved his family too much to do it. I never saw the reports on GSR etc to try to evaluate what the evidence supported.

His girlfriend and another girl was staying over and they were killed as well which is odd.  Another guy supposedly left an hour before the murders.  That adds some suspicion as well.

It sounds like there were problems but still why not kill your family and self when there are not other people around. To kill his girlfriend and another friend is unusual.  I would definitely want to see what they found in terms of the evidence to establish he fired the weapon.

[Adam]

Have they ever given their reasons why?

Had one more Juror sided with him he would be not guilty. such a close call. 

You're not still suggesting Jeremy could be innocent are you ?

You couldn't even explain how Sheila committed the massacre. Although you at least tried. Twice. Even Jan refrained from attempting to explain this. Keeping a low profile on the thread. And that was after being the only poster who tackled my 40 reasons why Neville would not phone Jeremy !

There are lots of reasons why two female jurors voted not guilty. Of which I will mention later.

[Adam]

It was wrong for two jurors to vote 'not guilty' -

The jury were told there were only two suspects.

Sheila's blood in the silencer was not disputed by the defence.

Sheila not being able to shoot herself with the silencer attached was not disputed by the defence.

Therefore it is impossible to vote 'not guilty'.

[lookout]

Jeremy IS innocent ! Even JM knows that.

[Caroline]

Jeremy IS innocent ! Even JM knows that.

Just saying it doesn't make it so.

[David1819]

You couldn't even explain how Sheila committed the massacre.

Actually I did, but never mind

[Alias]

Actually I did, but never mind

Adam likes demanding of people to explain certain things. Then when you do give him your take on things, he will either say you didn´t or that it was wrong. This is a fixed pattern. There is no point, just leave it another time. 

[Jan]

on page 13 - what does it mean about the testing of the blood - not done on the single flake?

And has anyone actually seen the full trial transcript?