'The last supper' - The final preparations, or a 'curious coincidence' ?

[Adam]

I've never read that Jeremy was regular attender at WHF for a 9pm supper. After a 14/17 hour day I assume he would want to get away from the farm for a few hours.

He hated June and had not spoken to her for years, according to MM. Even after her death he was saying nasty things about her to the police, AE said. Jeremy admitted as much when testifying.

He didn't need to see Sheila or the twins. They had both gone to see him earlier in the day,  and he could see them any time he wanted while they were at WHF . The twins likely to be in bed anyway.

Neville he saw every day and again, he also had a poor relationship with him.

The supper that night must have been a bundle of laughs. Jeremy telling Julie his day went 'as best as can be expected'.

A guilty Jeremy obviously needed to attend WHF that night. To load the rifle and put it in an easily accessible place. He could have opened the bathroom window an inch to ensure easy access. And he would have made sure everyone was staying at WHF, as expected.

Having supper also supports his claim that Sheila had easy access to a rifle and that a fostering conversation pushed her over the edge. It also gives the impression he had a good relationship with his family, otherwise why have supper with people you don't get along with ? 

An innocent Jeremy is one unlucky man. But has never shown any regret for leaving the loaded rifle out,  after conversations about fostering had taken place. Although he thought Sheila was a 'nutter'. Simply saying at court 'I didn't know what was going happen, did I ?'

Do other people believe the judge was referring to the last supper as one of his 'curious coincidences' ?

[guest154]

I don't think that Bamber having supper with his family is a curious coincidence. But I do think the content of the conversation that night during supper, the whole rabbit incident, leaving the weapon out etc are all very curious coincidences yes.

[Adam]

I have never read Jeremy claim he had supper with his parents on a regular basis. Why an earth would he have supper with people he hated ?

He probably knows BW, the housekeeper or farm workers would refute him if he claimed he did have regular suppers with Neville and June.

There is no doubt he had supper a few hours before the massacre. Which is damaging circumstantial evidence. Because it gave him the opportunity for final rifle and window preparations.

[Jane]

I have never read Jeremy claim he had supper with his parents on a regular basis. Why an earth would he have supper with people he hated ?

He probably knows BW, the housekeeper or farm workers would refute him if he claimed he did have regular suppers with Neville and June.

There is no doubt he had supper a few hours before the massacre. Which is damaging circumstantial evidence. Because it gave him the opportunity for final rifle and window preparations.

Did Jeremy keep a diary? WHY would it need to be put in writing that Jeremy had supper with his parents? WHY would he have needed to have supper with them "on  a regular basis"? Do we have, in writing, EVERY visit Sheila made to the farm?

Your constant use of "hate" is juvenile in the extreme. I believe it was you who, at one moment, posited that Jeremy hadn't spoken to June since he was at school, yet you STILL seem to think it suspicious that Jeremy didn't have supper with them "on a regular basis."

[Adam]

Did Jeremy keep a diary? WHY would it need to be put in writing that Jeremy had supper with his parents? WHY would he have needed to have supper with them "on  a regular basis"? Do we have, in writing, EVERY visit Sheila made to the farm?

Your constant use of "hate" is juvenile in the extreme. I believe it was you who, at one moment, posited that Jeremy hadn't spoken to June since he was at school, yet you STILL seem to think it suspicious that Jeremy didn't have supper with them "on a regular basis."

Well Jeremy said his relationship with June broke down in 1978. MM testifying they had not spoken for years.

So not suspicious at all that he would never have supper with June and Neville.

However having supper on the massacre night is damaging circumstantial evidence. But something he had to do.

[Jane]

Well Jeremy said his relationship with June broke down in 1978. MM testifying they had not spoken for years.

So not suspicious at all that he would never have supper with June and Neville.

However having supper on the massacre night is damaging circumstantial evidence. But something he had to do.

But there is nothing to indicate that he'd not previously had supper with them.

MM MAY have testified that "they hadn't spoken for years" but I wonder how she thinks he introduced her daughter to them. HOW does she explain that he went to tell them that he and her daughter planned to marry? I once suggested that in order to support her daughter she MAY not have told the entire truth. You refused to accept that anyone would NOT tell the truth under oath.

[lookout]

Judging by the two rashers of bacon he'd been lucky to find in his own 'fridge at home,I reckon all of his meals were eaten with his family,including breakfast,being at the farm early.
Other than that,he ate out with Julie.

[Adam]

The last supper is a classic example of circumstantial evidence making a 360 degree turn.

From supporting Jeremy - fostering conversations, loaded gun left for Sheila.

To incriminating Jeremy- loading the gun, opening the window, supper with relatives he resented.

[tyler]

Jeremy stated that he ate a sandwich whilst standing at the kitchen sink. 'Having supper with the family' gives me,at least,an image of all of the family sitting around the table sharing a meal,rather than grabbing a quick bite at the kitchen sink. But I suppose it is down to individual interpretation. 

[David1819]

I've had supper with my parents on and off I've also resented them time to time sometimes justified sometimes not

Does that mean I am a mass murderer?

God Adam I hope you don't become a Judge

[Jane]

I've had supper with my parents on and off I've also resented them time to time sometimes justified sometimes not

Does that mean I am a mass murderer?

God Adam I hope you don't become a Judge

David,bear in mind that Jeremy is accepting supper from the mother he hasn't spoken with for years.

If such makes you a potential mass murderer, it makes the same of me.

adam is ALREADY judge .....................AND jury of, what appears to be, his own tiny, limited world.

[lookout]

I've had supper with my parents on and off I've also resented them time to time sometimes justified sometimes not

Does that mean I am a mass murderer?

God Adam I hope you don't become a Judge

Never mind a judge.It's the jury bit that bothers me,lecturing the others and convincing them that some poor soul is guilty,even though other jurors think differently he'll be changing their minds for them if they're daft enough to listen.

[Jane]

Never mind a judge.It's the jury bit that bothers me,lecturing the others and convincing them that some poor soul is guilty,even though other jurors think differently he'll be changing their minds for them if they're daft enough to listen.

His ability to do that would rest largely on how charismatic is his personality. I experience little sign of that here.

[lookout]

His ability to do that would rest largely on how charismatic is his personality. I experience little sign of that here.

Yes. What's the opposite of charismatic by the way ? You could find one answer is " irritating ",among others.

[Jane]

Yes. What's the opposite of charismatic by the way ? You could find one answer is " irritating ",among others.

Does "antiChrist" come anywhere close