Order of Sheila's first 10/11 shots.

[scipio_usmc]

Not possible, people would wake sound moderator or not. Dog will go nuts sound moderator or not.

Shooting a gun indoors in a concealed space is very loud.

You just keep making up your own crap and spouting it over and over like a broken record. You were already corrected how many times and keep repeating it anyway which is a sign of bias not rational objective thought like you keep professing.

Your claim the moderator would not do anything was already proven false.  The moderator was used in combination with subsonic ammo and the combination results in a significant reduction in noise.  There thus would be a reason to use the moderator and a benefit from it.

Your claim everyone would have to wake up from the shots is nonsense.  There are documented cases of people not waking up from shots by louder weapons fired in a room next to theirs without a moderator and the rounds not being subsonic.  Some people wake up from loud noises while some don't.

Saying that the sound would be loud in the room where they were fired because of the confined space doesn't in any way suggest if would be heard in other rooms that don't border the room in question.  In fact people keep saying how thick the walls at WHF are.

Since the rooms were not adjacent that means the sound would have to pass through multiple walls to be heard.  Using the moderator helps reduce the chances of that happening.

Your whole premise is just nonsense you made up ignoring real world considerations.

[Adam]

How do you know! where you there? 

I was not. But am following the evidence. Which is not disputed by either side.

[Mr. Gee]

How do you know! where you there? 

Were you? scipio says they would, do you agree with him? Mind you he also things the children WOULD sleep through it all. Oh and Sheila of course.

[Jan]

You just keep making up your own crap and spouting it over and over like a broken record. You were already corrected how many times and keep repeating it anyway which is a sign of bias not rational objective thought like you keep professing.

Your claim the moderator would not do anything was already proven false.  The moderator was used in combination with subsonic ammo and the combination results in a significant reduction in noise.  There thus would be a reason to use the moderator and a benefit from it.

Your claim everyone would have to wake up from the shots is nonsense.  There are documented cases of people not waking up from shots by louder weapons fired in a room next to theirs without a moderator and the rounds not being subsonic.  Some people wake up from loud noises while some don't.

Saying that the sound would be loud in the room where they were fired because of the confined space doesn't in any way suggest if would be heard in other rooms that don't border the room in question.  In fact people keep saying how thick the walls at WHF are.

Since the rooms were not adjacent that means the sound would have to pass through multiple walls to be heard.  Using the moderator helps reduce the chances of that happening.

Your whole premise is just nonsense you made up ignoring real world considerations.

so therefore it would be possible for sc to shoot herself whilst the police were outside and no one would hear a thing.

[Mr. Gee]

You just keep making up your own crap and spouting it over and over like a broken record. You were already corrected how many times and keep repeating it anyway which is a sign of bias not rational objective thought like you keep professing.

Your claim the moderator would not do anything was already proven false.  The moderator was used in combination with subsonic ammo and the combination results in a significant reduction in noise.  There thus would be a reason to use the moderator and a benefit from it.

Your claim everyone would have to wake up from the shots is nonsense.  There are documented cases of people not waking up from shots by louder weapons fired in a room next to theirs without a moderator and the rounds not being subsonic.  Some people wake up from loud noises while some don't.

Saying that the sound would be loud in the room where they were fired because of the confined space doesn't in any way suggest if would be heard in other rooms that don't border the room in question.  In fact people keep saying how thick the walls at WHF are.

Since the rooms were not adjacent that means the sound would have to pass through multiple walls to be heard.  Using the moderator helps reduce the chances of that happening.

Your whole premise is just nonsense you made up ignoring real world considerations.

just another example of how scipio is very respectful towards other posters. Someone ought to tell him. But I trow that he is alas unteachable?

[David1819]

You just keep making up your own crap and spouting it over and over like a broken record. You were already corrected how many times and keep repeating it anyway which is a sign of bias not rational objective thought like you keep professing.

Your claim the moderator would not do anything was already proven false.  The moderator was used in combination with subsonic ammo and the combination results in a significant reduction in noise.  There thus would be a reason to use the moderator and a benefit from it.

Your claim everyone would have to wake up from the shots is nonsense.  There are documented cases of people not waking up from shots by louder weapons fired in a room next to theirs without a moderator and the rounds not being subsonic.  Some people wake up from loud noises while some don't.

Saying that the sound would be loud in the room where they were fired because of the confined space doesn't in any way suggest if would be heard in other rooms that don't border the room in question.  In fact people keep saying how thick the walls at WHF are.

Since the rooms were not adjacent that means the sound would have to pass through multiple walls to be heard.  Using the moderator helps reduce the chances of that happening.

Your whole premise is just nonsense you made up ignoring real world considerations.

Oh hail Skippy I bow my head to thee!

So I just keep making up my own crap and spouting it over and over like a broken record?

Well maybe one day I will almost be as good as spouting crap as you! Teach me the way of spouting crap master skippy teach me the way!

[Mr. Gee]

Oh hail Skippy I bow my head to thee!

So I just keep making up my own crap and spouting it over and over like a broken record?

Well maybe one day I will almost be as good as spouting crap as you! Teach me the way of spouting crap master skippy teach me the way!

Your crap is better than his crap David.

[Adam]

Not possible, people would wake sound moderator or not. Dog will go nuts sound moderator or not.

Shooting a gun indoors in a concealed space is very loud.

My claim that Jeremy wanted to stage the scene in the bedroom, with the bedroom phone off the hook, is supported by evidence.

The bedroom phone phone was found off the hook. But in the kitchen. Because Neville got downstairs. The kitchen phone found under a pile of newspapers. In perfect working order.

A 'curious coincidence' ?

[lookout]

My word,for a murderer he took great pains with everything. Rearranging bodies,furniture,phones,mopping up blood then soaking the items in buckets of water,locking all internal doors,scattering guns here and there. Leaving the place looking as though a bomb had hit it. Then jumping on a bike and pedalling like the clappers,in pitch dark along the sea wall.
 
How long did all this faffing around take as well as allegedly killing them all ?
Estimate the time it would have taken,against a time that those people died,to the time that Jeremy rang the police.

[Jan]

My claim that Jeremy wanted to stage the scene in the bedroom, with the bedroom phone off the hook, is supported by evidence.

The bedroom phone phone was found off the hook. But in the kitchen. Because Neville got downstairs. The kitchen phone found under a pile of newspapers. In perfect working order.

A 'curious coincidence' ?

But what about the officer who used the phone before the crime scene photos?

[David1819]

My claim that Jeremy wanted to stage the scene in the bedroom, with the bedroom phone off the hook, is supported by evidence.

The bedroom phone phone was found off the hook. But in the kitchen. Because Neville got downstairs. The kitchen phone found under a pile of newspapers. In perfect working order.

A 'curious coincidence' ?

You fail to consider many variables.

1.How do we know that phone was always upstairs the only people who could answer are dead

2. Jeremy could have taken then kitchen phone off the hook before the shooting rendering all lines useless specially if that phone was upstairs.

3. Why would Jeremy leave both phones downstairs once everyone is dead? He could have left the kitchen phone off the hook and put the bedroom phone back upstairs that's if it was a bedroom phone once everyone is dead.

[scipio_usmc]

so therefore it would be possible for sc to shoot herself whilst the police were outside and no one would hear a thing.

I already despatched this nonsense the other day I guess you enjoy being embarrassed.

1) Police outside were not asleep they were carefully listening for any sound and any sight they could so just because people can sleep through sounds doesn't mean attentive police would not hear the sounds

2) The window was open so the sound would travel to them if shots were fired.  There is a big difference between sound traveling through an open window and 2 thick walls that are separated by open space.

[Adam]

You fail to consider many variables.

1.How do we know that phone was always upstairs the only people who could answer are dead

2. Jeremy could have taken then kitchen phone off the hook before the shooting rendering all lines useless specially if that phone was upstairs.

3. Why would Jeremy leave both phones downstairs once everyone is dead? He could have left the kitchen phone off the hook and put the bedroom phone back upstairs that's if it was a bedroom phone once everyone is dead.

It is a 'curious coincidence' the bedroom phone was plugged into the kitchen phone socket.

Jeremy ensured both phones were downstairs to explain Neville being downstairs. There would be no reason for Neville to leave the upstairs area if there was a working bedroom phone. All his family were upstairs.

Jeremy almost certainly did disable all phones upon entrance. By taking the kitchen phone off the hook. Which could be a reason why Neville went downstairs.

[scipio_usmc]

You fail to consider many variables.

1.How do we know that phone was always upstairs the only people who could answer are dead

2. Jeremy could have taken then kitchen phone off the hook before the shooting rendering all lines useless specially if that phone was upstairs.

3. Why would Jeremy leave both phones downstairs once everyone is dead? He could have left the kitchen phone off the hook and put the bedroom phone back upstairs that's if it was a bedroom phone once everyone is dead.

The farm workers knew where the phones usually were. Furthermore the telephone worker who replaced the broken phones a month before noted where the phones were.  Shortly before the murders another guy took the cordless phone away and noted the phone normally in the bedroom was in the kitchen so this proves it was moved before the murders.

[scipio_usmc]

But what about the officer who used the phone before the crime scene photos?

What does that have to do with anything?  The police were unable to call the house to try to speak with those inside because the phone was off the hook.  The police say the phone that was off the hook was the kitchen phone not the phone in the upstairs office.  They were the only 2 phones plugged in.  The other phone (the regular kitchen phone) was unplugged and hidden.