Order of Sheila's first 10/11 shots.

[David1819]

If it was only to kill and nothing else, it seems like massive overkill to shoot two little six year olds eight times.
Your reasons make sense - just don´t know which to pick.

The prosecution argues that Jeremy done it for the inheritance. Therefore

1. The Twins would get either 1/2 or 2/3 of that inheritance. Leaving Jeremy less of the pie

2. For argument sake if Jeremy got away with it and just killed Shelia June and Neville while the Twins stayed at Collins As the Twins got older they may have began to question the version of events that led to their mothers death putting Jeremy under suspicion

3. Jeremy would have to take them out that night as they could be potential witnesses with damning evidence against him

[Adam]

Without getting into the silencer/moderator fiasco. I think had Jeremy chose to kill Neville and June first they would both be found dead like the twins. Jeremy could have sneaked while they both asleep bang bang two head shots done! Had he targeted Neville first with the element of surprise on his side how could he have possibly failed?

I think its fair to believe he shot the twins first as shooting them alive would require a heart of stone that he didn't have so planned to kill them first.

All the remaining shots are either Sheila being in a delusion state feeling the need to repeatedly shoot the bodies maybe perceived to still be alive or Jeremy shooting the dead bodies multiple times to make it look as if a crazy person had done it

Do you not believe it would benefit Jeremy to use a silencer ?

I believe he entered the main bedroom, and shot the person closest to the main door - June, who was shot with her head on the pillow. This only took a few seconds and was not that loud.

He then went around to Neville's side of the bed. But Neville woke and moved seconds beforehand. Jeremy still got close enough to hit Neville four times.

[scipio_usmc]

If it was only to kill and nothing else, it seems like massive overkill to shoot two little six year olds eight times.
Your reasons make sense - just don´t know which to pick.

He had to shoot June 7 times and Nevill 8 times to kill them.  by the time he was killing the twins he wasn't too impressed by the performance of the gun. He wanted to make sure they died so shot each multiple times.

Shooting Sheila was botched. What no one has considered is maybe the first shot was the accident and not the second shot.  The first shot was straight through her neck lodging in the neckbone after breaking it so with the gun held at nearly a 90 degree angle.  Why would he think that would be a good angle to kill her?  Maybe he accidentally fired that first shot, perhaps Sheila was giving him problems and he ended up accidentally shooting.  That makes more sense than the shot up into her head being an accident.       

[Alias]

Don´t talk to me. You know who you are.

[scipio_usmc]

Don´t talk to me. You know who you are.

You are wasting your time with such responses, I didn't authorize Adam to be my spokesmen but he was right that I am not going to stop responding anymore than I did after Mike told me to stop responding to his posts.

[susan]

Scipio do you think June was shot first then Ralph.  It does concern me a little as to where Sheila was when all this was going on.

[Alias]

You are wasting your time with such responses, I didn't authorize Adam to be my spokesmen but he was right that I am not going to stop responding anymore than I did after Mike told me to stop responding to his posts.

You will regret this attitude, trust me.

[David1819]

Do you not believe it would benefit Jeremy to use a silencer ?

I believe he entered the main bedroom, and shot the person closest to the main door - June, who was shot with her head on the pillow.

This only took a few seconds before he went around to Neville's side of the bed. But Neville woke and moved seconds beforehand. Jeremy still got close enough to hit Neville four times.

No because its not an actual silencer that would reduce the sound. Those old parker hale type silencers do not slow down ammunition it would only be useful on an air-rifle. Any fancy specialist silencers that you may be able to get in the states have never been legal here.

1. According to Boutflour he found the Silencer in its manufactures box neatly packed up in a bag
2. Police searched the cupboard beforehand and never found the silencer
3. Modern DNA tests in 1999 found no traces of blood but found human DNA not blood based.
4. Had Jeremy used it he would not keep asking for it to be DNA tested

Had Jeremy committed the crime with the silencer. Since people give him so much credit for staging planning ect would he have not just placed the silencer next to Shelia as if Shelia herself realised she would find it difficult to kill herself with it attached? why go and pack it away all neat and tidy and the police don't even find it somehow.

Using the Silencer indoors would make the rifle very cumbersome and tricky in a confined area. Had he targeted Neville and June first I'm very confident they would have been found dead in the bed like the Twins. How could you attack two sleeping elderly people with a fully loaded semi automatic rifle and fail?
I think the twins went first Neville June woke as a result regardless if Shelia or Jeremy done it

[scipio_usmc]

Scipio do you think June was shot first then Ralph.  It does concern me a little as to where Sheila was when all this was going on.

Since the plan was to claim Nevill phoned him obviously killing Nevill as he slept was not an option because how could he have called if he died before he even got out of bed?  I think he shot June first and allowed Nevill to at minimum wake up and sit up if not affording him enough time to start to get up before opening fire at Nevill.  He underestimated the power of his gun and his targeting ability at moving objects though.  He got Nevill in the lip and jaw (in addition to the arm and the graze wound) not in optimal locations to disable Nevill.  He was hoping those head shots would have disabled him.     

He didn't know he only got Nevill's lip and jaw he knows two shots to the face didn't stop him.  So that was why he poured 4 bullets in the kitchen. Any 1 of them were sufficient to kill Nevill but he didn't know that and after what he experienced he wanted to be sure.  He wanted to be sure with the boys as well so shot their heads multiple times and hence the extra shot between June's eyes while she was already on the floor.

Since he was worried about the power of the gun he would have wanted to be careful of where he shot Sheila.  Maybe she was not cooperating and he accidentally fired that shot that went from the front to back of her neck.  Then after seeing she was still alive he panicked and fired to shot from her chin into her head which one would have expected to be the shot he intended to fire.

   

[Adam]

No because its not an actual silencer that would reduce the sound. Those old parker hale type silencers do not slow down ammunition it would only be useful on an air-rifle. Any fancy specialist silencers that you may be able to get in the states have never been legal here.

1. According to Boutflour he found the Silencer in its manufactures box neatly packed up in a bag
2. Police searched the cupboard beforehand and never found the silencer
3. Modern DNA tests in 1999 found no traces of blood but found human DNA not blood based.
4. Had Jeremy used it he would not keep asking for it to be DNA tested

Had Jeremy committed the crime with the silencer. Since people give him so much credit for staging planning ect would he have not just placed the silencer next to Shelia as if Shelia herself realised she would find it difficult to kill herself with it attached? why go and pack it away all neat and tidy and the police don't even find it somehow.

Using the Silencer indoors would make the rifle very cumbersome and tricky in a confined area. Had he targeted Neville and June first I'm very confident they would have been found dead in the bed like the Twins. How could you attack two sleeping elderly people with a fully loaded semi automatic rifle and fail?
I think the twins went first Neville June woke as a result regardless if Shelia or Jeremy done it

I've no idea whether the silencer made the gun shots silent. If they reduced the noise a little bit, it is worth using.

The silencer was found in a box. Underneath other boxes, guns and a dart board.

Jeremy would put the silencer away to give the impression Sheila went crazy and shot everyone, including herself in a short period. Rather than shoot everyone, and then take a silencer off. Sheila having to reload twice is outlandish enough.

[susan]

Scipio thanks for the explanation.  Sheila must have still been sleeping at this stage I guess.

[Adam]

My view is Jeremy planned to kill everyone in bed, except Sheila.

He could then move Neville, or June a few feet from the bed to give the impression he/she was awake. Then take the bedroom phone off the hook.

Because Neville got downstairs, he moved the bedroom phone downstairs and took it off the hook.

[David1819]

My view is Jeremy planned to kill everyone in bed, except Sheila.

He could then move Neville, or June a few feet from the bed to give the impression he/she was awake. Then take the bedroom phone off the hook.

Because Neville got downstairs, he moved the bedroom phone downstairs and took it off the hook.

Not possible, people would wake sound moderator or not. Dog will go nuts sound moderator or not.

Shooting a gun indoors in a concealed space is very loud.

[Adam]

Not possible, people would wake sound moderator or not. Dog will go nuts sound moderator or not.

Shooting a gun indoors in a concealed space is very loud.

He nearly achieved it. June shot with her head on the pillow. The twins shot while asleep.

Neville woke seconds before getting a lethal 'head on pillow' shot. But still got hit four times right next to June.

[David1819]

He nearly achieved it. June shot with her head on the pillow. The twins shot while asleep.

Neville woke seconds before getting a lethal 'head on pillow' shot. But still got hit four times right next to June.

How do you know! where you there?