Order of Sheila's first 10/11 shots.

[Adam]

Jeremy said the gun was fully loaded.

Sheila had 'gone crazy', so must have fired off the first 10/11 bullets in quick succession. Perhaps with 100% accuracy as only one of all bullets missed.

Anyway, she obviously fired the first 10/11 bullets. Discuss.

[Mr. Gee]

I won't be so bold as to say? Because it may have happened in a way in which none of us have even thought of.

[Caroline]

More pointless threads 

[scipio_usmc]

Why are there 2 threads on essentially the same thing?

The first shots were the same no matter who the killer was.  If Sheila were the killer she had to be killed last whereas Jeremy could have killed her before the boys potentially.  So the only difference would be towards the end not the beginning.

Staunch Jeremy supporters hide from the evidence that the shootings began in the master bedroom because they can't come up with any credible way for the event to have started there and yet for Sheila to be the killer.  So supporters are going to just hide from the issue and refuse to discuss it.

Starting polls is not going to get them to respond let alone multiple polls.  Polls are worthless anyway unless someone is forced to explain the rationale behind the choice they make.

[Adam]

Why are there 2 threads on essentially the same thing?

The first shots were the same no matter who the killer was.  If Sheila were the killer she had to be killed last whereas Jeremy could have killed her before the boys potentially.  So the only difference would be towards the end not the beginning.

Staunch Jeremy supporters hide from the evidence that the shootings began in the master bedroom because they can't come up with any credible way for the event to have started there and yet for Sheila to be the killer.  So supporters are going to just hide from the issue and refuse to discuss it.

Starting polls is not going to get them to respond let alone multiple polls.  Polls are worthless anyway unless someone is forced to explain the rationale behind the choice they make.

They are importantly different threads. The shooters being different.

There is no guarantee either Sheila or Jeremy started shooting in the main bedroom first. David suggesting Sheila started shooting the twins first. Neville running downstairs to ring Jeremy.

However it is almost certain that Jeremy would use common sense and shoot in the main bedroom first.

[Adam]

Jeremy's supporters are really keeping their cards close to their chests.

A lot refusing to say what Sheila was doing when Neville phoned Jeremy.

Virtually everyone refusing to say how Sheila could have committed the massacre.

And now no one is saying who Sheila started shooting first.

[scipio_usmc]

They are importantly different threads. The shooters being different.

There is no guarantee either Sheila or Jeremy started shooting in the main bedroom first. David suggesting Sheila started shooting the twins first. Neville running downstairs to ring Jeremy.

However it is almost certain that Jeremy would use common sense and shoot in the main bedroom first.

Evidence establishes 10 shots were fired in the master bedroom at June and Nevill before the gun was empty and after it was empty Nevill and the killer went downstairs to the kitchen.  There is no way that the gun could have had 10 bullets in it unless they were the first victims.  Nor would June have been in bed had the parents heard prior shooting.

This evidence is note dependent upon who the killer was.  It makes no difference who the killer was this is what happened regardless of the identity of the killer.

Having 2 threads that ask who was shot first are redundant because who was shot first is the same regardless.  The ONLY difference in the order of killings dependent upon who the killer was is the final victims.  June died first then Nevill no matter who the killer was.  If Sheila was the killer then the boys would have to die next and her last whereas Jeremy could either kill Sheila 3rd and the boys last or the boys 3rd and 4th and then Sheila last.   

[Jan]

Jeremy's supporters are really keeping their cards close to their chests.

A lot refusing to say what Sheila was doing when Neville phoned Jeremy.

Virtually everyone refusing to say how Sheila could have committed the massacre.

And now no one is saying who Sheila started shooting first.

Adam do you have some sort of memory problems ? I do not think there is one poster on here who has not given some sort of scenario in the past. All of which if you have been paying attention you have seen . I can not think of one reason why you think that any poster should repeat them for you . So your presumption that it is because we have doubts is rubbish . Its because we are tired of your repetitive threads. Nothing more , nothing less.

[Mr. Gee]

Evidence establishes 10 shots were fired in the master bedroom at June and Nevill before the gun was empty and after it was empty Nevill and the killer went downstairs to the kitchen.  There is no way that the gun could have had 10 bullets in it unless they were the first victims.  Nor would June have been in bed had the parents heard prior shooting.

This evidence is note dependent upon who the killer was.  It makes no difference who the killer was this is what happened regardless of the identity of the killer.

Having 2 threads that ask who was shot first are redundant because who was shot first is the same regardless.  The ONLY difference in the order of killings dependent upon who the killer was is the final victims.  June died first then Nevill no matter who the killer was.  If Sheila was the killer then the boys would have to die next and her last whereas Jeremy could either kill Sheila 3rd and the boys last or the boys 3rd and 4th and then Sheila last.   

I thought you said that people have slept through gunshots in the next room even with no silencer? Now you say that "Nor would June have been in bed had the parents heard prior shooting". Thus contradicting your other theory. Also if it were true of the grandparents why wouldn't it be true in the case of the grand children?
Suppose Sheila had shot the twins first and then topped up the magazine, have you considered that?

[Adam]

Adam do you have some sort of memory problems ? I do not think there is one poster on here who has not given some sort of scenario in the past. All of which if you have been paying attention you have seen . I can not think of one reason why you think that any poster should repeat them for you . So your presumption that it is because we have doubts is rubbish . Its because we are tired of your repetitive threads. Nothing more , nothing less.

Nice try.

I have never asked this question before.

No one has ever said who Sheila shot first. Apart from David and Alias. David saying Sheila started shooting the twins first. Neville reacting by running downstairs to phone Jeremy !

Who do you think Sheila shot first ?

[Adam]

I thought you said that people have slept through gunshots in the next room even with no silencer? Now you say that "Nor would June have been in bed had the parents heard prior shooting". Thus contradicting your other theory. Also if it were true of the grandparents why wouldn't it be true in the case of the grand children?
Suppose Sheila had shot the twins first and then topped up the magazine, have you considered that?

You think Sheila may have shot the twins first. No one waking.

Then went downstairs to reload and started shooting Neville and June upstairs. Neville waking and getting downstairs prior to his brutal beating.

One problem, no phone call.

[Mr. Gee]

You think Sheila may have shot the twins first. No one waking.

Then went downstairs to reload and started shooting Neville and June upstairs. Neville waking and getting downstairs prior to his brutal beating.

One problem, no phone call.

I didn't say that, you did.

[Jan]

Nice try.

I have never asked this question before.

No one has ever said who Sheila shot first. Apart from David and Alias. David saying Sheila started shooting the twins first. Neville reacting by running downstairs to phone Jeremy !

Who do you think Sheila shot first ?

I don't make any assumptions when there is no way of proving the answer. I told you that I thought she was upstairs and carried out "some " shots to June and the twins before NB ran back up into the bedroom where she shot at him and again as he ran back to the kitchen. However as the police used the kitchen phone before the CS photos we do not know for certain which phone NB used ( the office?) .

So you tell me - how are you going to prove that all the shots were made to all the victims at once ? does not matter if it was SC or JB YOU can not prove that. So as you can not prove that , then you can not assume when the killer re-loaded the gun.

[Jan]

You think Sheila may have shot the twins first. No one waking.

Then went downstairs to reload and started shooting Neville and June upstairs. Neville waking and getting downstairs prior to his brutal beating.

One problem, no phone call.

there was blood on the worktop next to the phone - so how do you know he had not just had one shot and did not have enough time to tell Jeremy - personally I don't think he had been shot at all at the time of the call , but how do you KNOW? How do you assume the order of his shots?

[lookout]

There again,Jeremy could easily have said,while on the phone to the police,that he'd heard a couple of shots going off.Why didn't he ?