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DIGITAL I D CARDS
« on: September 27, 2025, 06:11:PM »
Could this be Starmer’s Poll Tax moment?  Digital ID cards?  There is a petition against the introduction of Digital ID cards and it’s reached nearly Two million signatures already.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/730194 :-\

He seems to think this will help to stop the boats coming in, they will not be able to work without an ID Card?  He must be having a laugh, why do they want to work when they’re getting fed, hotel room paid for and clothing and mobile phones and taxi’s paid for, if you work you have to fund all these items and expenses yourself?

 The danger would be, once introduced who is to know what data would be eventually stored on these cards and the Powers the Police would have requesting to see it, let alone the possible Data breach?  I thought we had a National insurance Number that gave us the right to work?

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« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2025, 06:29:PM »
Could this be Starmer’s Poll Tax moment?  Digital ID cards?  There is a petition against the introduction of Digital ID cards and it’s reached nearly Two million signatures already.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/730194 :-\

He seems to think this will help to stop the boats coming in, they will not be able to work without an ID Card?  He must be having a laugh, why do they want to work when they’re getting fed, hotel room paid for and clothing and mobile phones and taxi’s paid for, if you work you have to fund all these items and expenses yourself?

 The danger would be, once introduced who is to know what data would be eventually stored on these cards and the Powers the Police would have requesting to see it, let alone the possible Data breach?  I thought we had a National insurance Number that gave us the right to work?
But the system has been abused, as sadly UK governments of all persuasions has been handing them out willy nilly: https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2008-01-16/debates/080116103000001/NationalInsuranceNumbersAndIllegalImmigrants

It's time for everyone (including myself) to move into the 21st century and prove my identity to the authorities when requested to do so. We no longer live in the 1950s when the country was mainly white and monocultural. Digital ID cards will be harder to forge and will enable easier removal of illegal immigrants, prevent benefit fraud and assist in detecting radical Islamic terrorists who wish us harm.

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« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2025, 06:41:PM »
But the system has been abused, as sadly UK governments of all persuasions has been handing them out willy nilly: https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2008-01-16/debates/080116103000001/NationalInsuranceNumbersAndIllegalImmigrants

It's time for everyone (including myself) to move into the 21st century and prove my identity to the authorities when requested to do so. We no longer live in the 1950s when the country was mainly white and monocultural. Digital ID cards will be harder to forge and will enable easier removal of illegal immigrants, prevent benefit fraud and assist in detecting radical Islamic terrorists who wish us harm.
What makes you think that a Digital ID card won’t be abused Steve, passports, Driving Licence can easily be faked, We also have an extensive system of digital identification and a whole range of laws that require you to prove your identity, sometimes multiple times a week.  It will not work Steve in my view, the Black Market will still flourish.

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« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2025, 06:46:PM »
What makes you think that a Digital ID card won’t be abused Steve, passports, Driving Licence can easily be faked, We also have an extensive system of digital identification and a whole range of laws that require you to prove your identity, sometimes multiple times a week.  It will not work Steve in my view, the Black Market will still flourish.
Well. it's my understanding they will have biometric data, fingerprints etc, but you may well be right. I'm still in favour of them to prevent fraud. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c844g4kpjxdo

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« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2025, 07:38:PM »
Well. it's my understanding they will have biometric data, fingerprints etc, but you may well be right. I'm still in favour of them to prevent fraud. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c844g4kpjxdo
I thought it was going to be an APP Steve, there’s real danger of APPs being hacked,  look how intrusive Tick Tock APP is, once it’s online it then becomes a target for Hackers, APPs within Phone’s become Goldmines for Hackers, it will need updating regular as well.

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« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2025, 07:44:PM »
I thought it was going to be an APP Steve, there’s real danger of APPs being hacked,  look how intrusive Tick Tock APP is, once it’s online it then becomes a target for Hackers, APPs within Phone’s become Goldmines for Hackers, it will need updating regular as well.
I think Starmer is Bringing in what Blair originally wanted to do and he’s tried to win it with the pretence of stopping the small boats, it’s not going to stop the boats from coming.

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« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2025, 11:01:PM »
I think Starmer is Bringing in what Blair originally wanted to do and he’s tried to win it with the pretence of stopping the small boats, it’s not going to stop the boats from coming.

I am liberal in most areas of the rights of citizens. However in todays environment it is important that we take a realistic view. Whether we like it or not tech is here to stay. The amount of hacking that is growing fast also means that larger numbers of identity theft will follow. It already exists in many areas of daily life and is on the rise without tech
I believe we as a nation tend towards fairness in our culture. We feel that it is wrong that those who abuse our laws and services need to be held to account and as far as possible prevented from breaking the societal obligations of those that live here.

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« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2025, 07:23:AM »
I think Starmer is Bringing in what Blair originally wanted to do and he’s tried to win it with the pretence of stopping the small boats, it’s not going to stop the boats from coming.
Blair is pulling Starmer strings on this one, I wouldn’t trust Blair one bit.


Is the tech giant who gave Blair £257m in line for huge ID card contract? Government embroiled in cronyism row after revelation former PM lobbied for his billionaire backer who could make millions

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15140649/tech-giant-Blair-257m-ID-card-contract.html


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« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2025, 09:06:AM »
I am liberal in most areas of the rights of citizens. However in todays environment it is important that we take a realistic view. Whether we like it or not tech is here to stay. The amount of hacking that is growing fast also means that larger numbers of identity theft will follow. It already exists in many areas of daily life and is on the rise without tech
I believe we as a nation tend towards fairness in our culture. We feel that it is wrong that those who abuse our laws and services need to be held to account and as far as possible prevented from breaking the societal obligations of those that live here.
Do you honestly think anyone Currently employing Illegal migrants will be concerned about ID Cards, it will have no effect on Illegal actions.  Cash in hand will bypass any checks as it always has done.  How about the Police doing their job and catching criminals, instead of arresting someone for what they’ve said.

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« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2025, 01:08:PM »
Do you honestly think anyone Currently employing Illegal migrants will be concerned about ID Cards, it will have no effect on Illegal actions.  Cash in hand will bypass any checks as it always has done.  How about the Police doing their job and catching criminals, instead of arresting someone for what they’ve said.

It will go further overtime. You will need it to rent a property, sign up with a GP. Access to other services would also require an ID. A lot will depend on the sanctions imposed to those who do not follow the rules. Landlords could face hefty fines for example. Shopkeepers might be fined. A lot will depend on enforcement. Local Councils and PCSO's may have powers to do random checks. We need to see the details of any proposal.

We already suffer from leaving the EU since we cannot deport back to the land from where people entered from and many European countries have tighter rules on the ability to work above a National Insurance number.

An Oxford university expert said that people try to come to the UK once they are rejected in the EU. All members have access to biometric data so once you are rejected you cannot move on and try another EU member. Because of this would be migrants see the UK as another bite of the cherry. There are too many Pull Factors in the UK.

Getting on top of this issue is going to take time. At this time it is too easy in the UK irrespective of whether you have a valid claim.  The processing of migrants has got out of hand and we have a massive backlog of claimants.

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« Reply #10 on: September 28, 2025, 07:35:PM »
Do you honestly think anyone Currently employing Illegal migrants will be concerned about ID Cards, it will have no effect on Illegal actions.  Cash in hand will bypass any checks as it always has done.  How about the Police doing their job and catching criminals, instead of arresting someone for what they’ve said.
I think Farage means business. It's his main policy, or the policy which is keeping him ahead in the polls, the promise to deport 600,000 illegal immigrants.

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« Reply #11 on: September 28, 2025, 08:18:PM »
I think Farage means business. It's his main policy, or the policy which is keeping him ahead in the polls, the promise to deport 600,000 illegal immigrants.
Its to be seen Steve, I don’t like him at all, but he’s the only one saying what the majority of the Public want?  I cycled and a mass protest today outside the Sandpiper Hotel in Chesterfield, there was hundred’s protesting and the road was blocked off, an Asylum seeker had been arrested a few days earlier for exposing himself.  Credit due to the Police and Protesters, I think it ended peacefully.

Toby Perkins MP for Chesterfield,  was against the protest, it’s MPs like him who will lose their seats at the next election, they just don’t listen to the Publics concerns.  He called it a Battleground it was anything but, he forgets one thing, in this Country you are allowed to protest.

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« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2025, 04:18:PM »
Response from the Government to me and others signing the petition against Digit ID cards.


Government responded:

We will introduce a digital ID within this Parliament to help tackle illegal migration, make accessing government services easier, and enable wider efficiencies. We will consult on details soon.

The Government has announced plans to introduce a digital ID system which is fit for the needs of modern Britain. We are committed to making people’s everyday lives easier and more secure, to putting more control in their hands (including over their own data), and to driving growth through harnessing digital technology. We also want to learn from countries which have digitised government services for the benefit of their citizens, in line with our manifesto commitment to modernise government.

Currently, when UK citizens and residents use public services, start a new job, or, for example, buy alcohol, they often need to present an assortment of physical documents to prove who they are or things about themselves. This is both bureaucratic for the individual and creates space for abuse and fraud. This includes known issues with illegal working and modern slavery, while the fragmented approach and multiple systems across Government make it difficult for people to access vital services. Further, there are too many people who are excluded, like the 1 in 10 UK adults who don’t have a physical photo ID, so can struggle to prove who they are and access the products and services they are entitled to.

To tackle these interlinked issues, we will introduce a new national digital ID. This is not a card but a new digital identity that will be available for free to all UK citizens and legal residents aged 16 and over (although we will consider through consultation if this should be age 13 and over). Over time, people will be able to use it to seamlessly access a range of public and private sector services, with the aim of making our everyday lives easier and more secure. It will not be compulsory to obtain a digital ID but it will be mandatory for some applications.

For example, the new digital ID will build on GOV.UK One Login and the GOV.UK Wallet to drive the transformation of public services. Over time, this system will allow people to access government services – such as benefits or tax records – without needing to remember multiple logins or provide physical documents. It will significantly streamline interactions with the state, saving time and reducing frustrating paperwork, while also helping to create opportunities for more joined up government services. International examples show how beneficial this can be. For instance, Estonia’s system reportedly saves each citizen hours every month by streamlining unnecessary bureaucracy, and the move to becoming a digital society has saved taxpayer money.

By the end of this Parliament, employers will have to check the new digital ID when conducting a ‘right to work’ check. This will help combat criminal gangs who promise access to the UK labour market in order to profit from dangerous and illegal channel crossings. It will create a fairer system between UK citizens and legal residents, crack down on forged documents, and streamline the process for employers, driving up compliance. Further, it will create business information showing where employers are conducting checks, so driving more targeted action against non-compliant employers.

For clarity, it will not be a criminal offence to not hold a digital ID and police will not be able to demand to see a digital ID as part of a “stop and search.”

Privacy and security will also be central to the digital ID programme. We will follow data protection law and best practice in creating a system which people can rightly put their trust in. People in the UK already know and trust digital credentials held in their phone wallets to use in their everyday lives, from paying for things to storing boarding passes. The new system will be built on similar technology and be your boarding pass to government. Digitally checkable digital credentials are more secure than physical documents which can be lost, copied or forged, and often mean sharing more information than just what is necessary for a given transaction.
The new system will be designed in accordance with the highest security standards to protect against a comprehensive range of threats, including cyber-attacks.

We will launch a public consultation in the coming weeks and work closely with employers, trade unions, civil society groups and other stakeholders, to co-design the scheme and ensure it is as secure and inclusive as possible. Following consultation, we will seek to bring forward legislation to underpin this system.

Department for Science, Innovation and Technolog

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« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2025, 07:36:PM »
one of the resons they used to justify it  was to prevent wich makes me wonder if its coincidence there was a terror attack just after this policy was aunonced