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« Reply #3225 on: May 17, 2024, 11:17:PM »
      De-Nazify is code for De-NATOfy, Steve. NATO wanted Crimea and had deals in place with the coup regime. Russia has prevented NATO acquiring "ill gotten gains". Crimea isn't Russia's ill gotten gain, it is simply Russian. There is a thread where this one specific issue was discussed and as usual you failed to make a coherent and cohesive argument for your assertions.
      The victory will be anything but "Pyrrhic", Steve. Read the "End for the Empire of Lies" thread. The military conflict in Ukraine is but one part(albeit vital) of the co-ordinated actions of a number of countries to end Western hegemony and Imperialism. NATO is simply the muscle that enforces dollar hegemony and US/Western sanctions etc. Dollar dominance is being challenged more by BRICS+. As stated in "Empire of Lies", there is a multi faceted war ongoing. NATO/Ukraine military defeat acts as an accelerant in the ongoing weakening of their economic dominance. The information war is also going badly for the NATO crime gang, evidenced by the flocking of African states, Asia and South America towards BRICS+ and the China/Russian vision of multi-polarity and  away from their previous Imperial overlords. The end of uni-polar dominance is not a "Pyrrhic victory". 

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« Reply #3226 on: May 18, 2024, 01:20:AM »
Ukrainian 79th Air Assault Brigade Destroys 11 Out of 17 Russian Vehicles In the Novomykhailivka Area

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/1cs1r9m/ukrainian_79th_air_assault_brigade_destroys_11/

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« Reply #3227 on: May 19, 2024, 02:49:PM »
https://x.com/NuryVittachi/status/1792008706869399909

"THIS WEEK IS the 10th anniversary of one of the most astonishingly successful predictions of modern journalism.

On May 13, 2014, legendary investigative journalist John Pilger wrote an article in the UK Guardian titled: “In Ukraine, the US is dragging us towards war with Russia”.

The US had taken control of Ukraine and would use it to provoke Russia into getting involved, Pilger prophesied. The result would be a Nato war in Europe.

“Nato's military encirclement [of Russia] has accelerated, along with US-orchestrated attacks on ethnic Russians in Ukraine,” Pilger wrote. “If Putin can be provoked into coming to their aid, his pre-ordained ‘pariah’ role will justify a Nato-run guerrilla war that is likely to spill into Russia itself.”

The resulting CIA-manufactured war would be portrayed by the media as a Russian attack. Vladimir Putin would be “subjected to a western media campaign of vilification”, he wrote."


     He wasn't wrong was he? Those who still parrot the Western MSM and NATO lies about, "Putin's unprovoked invasion" must have the memory span of goldfish to still fall for such obvious lies and manipulations.
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« Reply #3228 on: May 19, 2024, 06:10:PM »
Russia hits its own city with anti-aircraft fire while shooting down a drone.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/1cvjpqf/russia_hits_its_own_city_with_antiaircraft_fire/

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« Reply #3229 on: May 24, 2024, 11:57:PM »
S-400 Battery Destroyed by ATACMS in Mospino, Donetsk

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« Reply #3231 on: June 24, 2024, 09:27:PM »
From Samuel Ramani of the Telegraph:

Russia is crumbling from within.

On Sunday evening, the North Caucasus region of Dagestan was rocked by a series of brutal terrorist attacks. Gunmen opened fire in a synagogue in Derbent, graphically slit the throat of Russian Orthodox priest Father Nikolay, and attacked Jewish and Christian houses of worship in Dagestan’s largest city Makhachkala. These brutal crimes claimed the lives of at least 15 people, including police officers.

The Kremlin’s reaction to these terrorist attacks was – as one might predict – fiercely conspiratorial. The narrative that “outside forces” were promoting inter-ethnic and religious discord within Russia circulated. Dagestani State Duma Deputy Abulkhakim Gadzhiev explicitly accused Ukraine and NATO’s intelligence agencies of perpetrating the attack.

These conspiracies were wholly predictable, but deflected blame from the ultimate culprit: President Vladimir Putin’s brutal war against Ukraine.

Since the Russian military levelled Chechnya’s capital Grozny in response to the 1999 Moscow apartment bombings, Putin has framed himself as a decisive leader against the threat of Islamist terrorism. This narrative undergirded Putin’s legacy of restoring order in Russia after the 1990s transition-era organised crime wave and separatist wars. Putin’s social compact, which traded personal freedom for security, kept him in power even as oil prices plunged, and an economic malaise ensued.

Over the past year, this cardinal feature of Putin’s legacy has disintegrated in spectacular fashion. Exactly twelve months ago today, Wagner Group leader Yevgeny Prigozhin’s ultranationalist legion occupied Rostov-on-Don and rapidly marched towards Moscow. The Kremlin decapitated this challenge by negotiating Prigozhin’s stand-down and almost certainly assassinating him. But the old threat of Islamist terrorism merely took its place.

The Islamic State- Khorasan Province (ISIS-K), which is headquartered in Afghanistan and Pakistan, carried out the March 2024 Crocus City Hall attack in Moscow that killed 145 people. Now terrorists from ISIS’s North Caucasus branch Wilayat Kavkaz have likely carried out the latest harrowing attacks in Dagestan.

Why has the Ukraine War smashed the illusion of security in Russia?

Putin’s thirst for totalitarian control has distracted the FSB from its counter-terrorism responsibilities and reduced its efficiency as a security organ. As Russian troops rolled into Ukraine in February 2022, the FSB became preoccupied with running “filtration camps” to test the loyalties of Ukrainians in the occupied territories. After Russia’s humiliating defeats in Kharkiv and Kherson in late 2022, Putin tasked the FSB with intensified crackdowns on foreign intelligence agencies and traitors.

To prove the point, a vocal minority of Russians decried the FSB’s redirection of focus. After the Crocus City attack, Russian journalist Kirill Martynov scathingly criticised the FSB for focusing on “LGBT extremists” and dismissing warnings from Western intelligence agencies that an attack was imminent. Russian opposition activist Ivan Zhdanov claimed that the FSB’s obsession with surveilling Russians and punishing anti-war dissidents destroyed its effectiveness. The Russian state media, naturally, deflected from these criticisms by redirecting public anger towards Ukraine. This allowed the FSB leadership to weather the storm of its repeated intelligence failures and remain intact.

The FSB’s abdication of responsibility has coincided with the worsening of grievances in Russia’s under-privileged ethnic minority regions. Dagestan is one of the worst victims of the Ukraine War’s unequal burdens. By early May 2022, Dagestan had the highest casualty rate of any Russian region. Independent investigations revealed that at least 130 Dagestanis had perished. By April 2023, that figure had risen to at least 806 and the families of Dagestani men who died in the field struggled to secure compensation from the Kremlin.

Dagestan’s creation of the Caspi “volunteer battalion,” which mobilised men over the age of 40, ensures that conscription rates vastly outstrip those in Moscow and St. Petersburg. These steep casualty rates have coincided with a worsening economic crisis in Dagestan. Due to the dominance of oligarchic clans, 70 per cent of Dagestan’s budget comes from Russian federal subsidies. This is the highest figure of any Russian region.

While the Dagestani authorities claim that fighting in Ukraine is good for Russia’s future, many desperate young men do not agree. In a viral September 2022 video, one Dagestani man resisting mobilisation declared “We don’t even have a present. What future are you talking about?” As repression silenced the 2,000-strong legion of anti-mobilisation protesters in Dagestan, the appeal of political violence, radicalisation, and terrorism, has grown.

After the latest terrorist attacks, introspection is the appropriate response for the Kremlin. In Putin’s Russia, however, introspection is sadly punishable by prison and death. Deflection reigns supreme. But for how much longer?

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« Reply #3232 on: June 25, 2024, 07:36:PM »
What does anyone make of Nigel Farage's comments that the West provoked Putin by EU/NATO expansion?
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« Reply #3233 on: June 25, 2024, 07:55:PM »
What does anyone make of Nigel Farage's comments that the West provoked Putin by EU/NATO expansion?

It is one of the few areas where I agree with him - the other main one being Brexit.  There are times when the left and right share a view on a particular issue, albeit from a completely different perspective.  I imagine you strongly disagree with him on both.

 


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« Reply #3234 on: June 25, 2024, 08:09:PM »
What does anyone make of Nigel Farage's comments that the West provoked Putin by EU/NATO expansion?

You can tell from the panicked and concerted reaction he has received, that he has spoken about the elephant in the room.
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« Reply #3235 on: June 25, 2024, 08:13:PM »
It is one of the few areas where I agree with him - the other main one being Brexit.  There are times when the left and right share a view on a particular issue, albeit from a completely different perspective.  I imagine you strongly disagree with him on both.

What makes you think Brexit was the right decision. I voted for it against my normal leanings. I voted for it narrowly. I fiercely defended the vote result being actioned. However now I feel conned.

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« Reply #3236 on: June 26, 2024, 12:29:AM »
You can tell from the panicked and concerted reaction he has received, that he has spoken about the elephant in the room.
    An elephant with an 800lb gorilla on its back. The panicked reaction does, as you imply, tell all you need to know. We live in the Empire of Lies and they are not even well constructed lies anymore, just incoherent drivel. I find it baffling that anyone believes that Russia's supposed invasion was unprovoked. I suspect that those who do parrot the official narrative are aware that it is lies but cannot take the cognitive dissonance that it provokes. Nobody serious believes that Ukraine/NATO can defeat Russia and NATO are simply in desperation mode now, putting off the inevitable defeat and the consequences that come from that in the hope of a miracle that isn't coming.
     I am with NGB on this. Farage was right about Brexit, albeit for wholly different reasons to me. He is right about Ukraine too. Everyone understands that he is speaking the unspeakable truth, even those who pretend otherwise.

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« Reply #3237 on: June 26, 2024, 09:41:PM »
What makes you think Brexit was the right decision. I voted for it against my normal leanings. I voted for it narrowly. I fiercely defended the vote result being actioned. However now I feel conned.
There will be another referendum in the future, say 2035 or earlier, when many of the older generation have died out and the youth of today are far more positive, with no memories of or handed-down anecdotes about the Second World War. The objection I had to a referendum in 2016 was it was premature as regards the EU timetable: single currency, European army, more qualified majority voting to name but three issues. Plus sometimes referenda are not won on issues but personalities: Farage came across better than staid Cameron. There was a similar situation in France in 1992 when Mitterand entered hospital for a prostate operation and thus garnered the sympathy vote for Maastricht, which he only narrowly won.
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« Reply #3238 on: June 27, 2024, 04:39:PM »
Steve- The objection I had to a referendum in 2016 was it was premature as regards the EU timetable: single currency, European army, more qualified majority voting to name but three issues.

    All three of those issues represent why many voted to leave on both the left and the right, in my view, Steve. To take them one at a time;
   Single currency- Whether left or right it is vital to have control over your own fiscal policies. Without that control we would simply be voting in managers every few years. We would have no control over fiscal policies that we could vote our way out of. It is a further step on the way to ending the nation state and dictating policy and laws from an unelected large centralised bureaucracy.
    European Army- This is the above on steroids. Who controls this "European Army" and decides whether our children/grandchildren are going to war. Can we vote them out? Would this "Army" be used to quell any unrest in the countries now subsumed into this entity? As we should control our own fiscal policy so we should also have control over our Army which should be for our own self defence.
    More Qualified Majority Voting- This issue, specifically, is what gives the control to unelected and un-removable bureaucrats and takes that power and control from those who we can elect/remove.

    Your three main reasons, ironically, are what ngb was referring to earlier when he spoke of the left and right aligning on some issues. These issues are neither left nor right, they are just about sovereignty to make our own policies. The left and right differ on what they believe those policies should be, but we align in agreeing that it should be our own decisions, our own discussion.

     It is my view that it is those who support the policies above who are the extremists. They advocate for policies that guarantee a large centralised, uncontrollable, supranational state entity that controls fiscal policy, foreign policy via means that are out of our hands. Some would call this a totalitarian state entity. There are extreme rightists and extreme leftists who who would advocate for all that you do and ironically call everyone else extremists. I prefer democracy being much more localised and more control given to smaller entities in order that some reasonable form of representation of the people is retained. You should think through the consequences of what you advocate for, Steve.
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« Reply #3239 on: June 27, 2024, 06:42:PM »
Steve- The objection I had to a referendum in 2016 was it was premature as regards the EU timetable: single currency, European army, more qualified majority voting to name but three issues.

    All three of those issues represent why many voted to leave on both the left and the right, in my view, Steve. To take them one at a time;
   Single currency- Whether left or right it is vital to have control over your own fiscal policies. Without that control we would simply be voting in managers every few years. We would have no control over fiscal policies that we could vote our way out of. It is a further step on the way to ending the nation state and dictating policy and laws from an unelected large centralised bureaucracy.
    European Army- This is the above on steroids. Who controls this "European Army" and decides whether our children/grandchildren are going to war. Can we vote them out? Would this "Army" be used to quell any unrest in the countries now subsumed into this entity? As we should control our own fiscal policy so we should also have control over our Army which should be for our own self defence.
    More Qualified Majority Voting- This issue, specifically, is what gives the control to unelected and un-removable bureaucrats and takes that power and control from those who we can elect/remove.

    Your three main reasons, ironically, are what ngb was referring to earlier when he spoke of the left and right aligning on some issues. These issues are neither left nor right, they are just about sovereignty to make our own policies. The left and right differ on what they believe those policies should be, but we align in agreeing that it should be our own decisions, our own discussion.

     It is my view that it is those who support the policies above who are the extremists. They advocate for policies that guarantee a large centralised, uncontrollable, supranational state entity that controls fiscal policy, foreign policy via means that are out of our hands. Some would call this a totalitarian state entity. There are extreme rightists and extreme leftists who who would advocate for all that you do and ironically call everyone else extremists. I prefer democracy being much more localised and more control given to smaller entities in order that some reasonable form of representation of the people is retained. You should think through the consequences of what you advocate for, Steve.
I wasn't advocating for any of them. I was saying they were my red lines in negotiating a way back to closer cooperation, whatever form that takes.