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« Reply #3211 on: May 03, 2024, 11:56:AM »
Once home to 70,000 people has been reduced to a smouldering wasteland




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« Reply #3212 on: May 03, 2024, 03:36:PM »
      So now that reality is biting David, how do you see the end game of Ukraine/Russia/NATO military conflict ending? Nobody who is taken seriously even considers a scenario of any kind of Ukraine/NATO victory any more. It is clear to all but the most blinkered now that Russia are getting stronger and stronger whilst Ukraine/NATO weaken visibly. Do you think Ukraine will break up and be subsumed by others? Will a rump remain? Odessa? What do you expect will remain of Ukraine?

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« Reply #3213 on: May 03, 2024, 03:38:PM »
"The widow of a Texas man who spent years aiding Russia’s war against Ukraine only to apparently get murdered by Russian troops is now appealing directly to Vladimir Putin to find his mutilated remains."

https://www.thedailybeast.com/widow-of-slain-texas-man-russell-bentley-asks-putin-to-find-his-body

Russell Bentley has joined the likes of Malcom Caldwell and Oh Kil-Nam. Tankies that learned the hard way
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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #3214 on: May 03, 2024, 04:20:PM »
      So now that reality is biting David, how do you see the end game of Ukraine/Russia/NATO military conflict ending? Nobody who is taken seriously even considers a scenario of any kind of Ukraine/NATO victory any more. It is clear to all but the most blinkered now that Russia are getting stronger and stronger whilst Ukraine/NATO weaken visibly. Do you think Ukraine will break up and be subsumed by others? Will a rump remain? Odessa? What do you expect will remain of Ukraine?

Hasn't the US just agreed 61 billion in funding? I imagine that if that funding translates to weaponry, Ukraine will be able to make things difficult for Russia.

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« Reply #3215 on: May 03, 2024, 05:04:PM »
      So now that reality is biting David, how do you see the end game of Ukraine/Russia/NATO military conflict ending? Nobody who is taken seriously even considers a scenario of any kind of Ukraine/NATO victory any more. It is clear to all but the most blinkered now that Russia are getting stronger and stronger whilst Ukraine/NATO weaken visibly. Do you think Ukraine will break up and be subsumed by others? Will a rump remain? Odessa? What do you expect will remain of Ukraine?
It's blackmail of the worst order and beyond the pale. I read Russia is using K-51 gas grenades, reports of chlorine and chloropicrin along with suspected hydrogen cyanide, and an unidentified substance with a "crushed almond aroma" on soldiers in Donetsk Oblast.

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #3216 on: May 03, 2024, 06:15:PM »
Once home to 70,000 people has been reduced to a smouldering wasteland





If this is Ukraine, I have just seen a similar image used on Sky News to justify increased military funding to Ukraine, which left me somewhat bewildered.

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« Reply #3217 on: May 03, 2024, 06:44:PM »
Hasn't the US just agreed 61 billion in funding? I imagine that if that funding translates to weaponry, Ukraine will be able to make things difficult for Russia.

Very little of that 61 billion will be given in cash. Most of it is 61 billion dollars worth of ammunition and missiles that are in US stockpiles. A lot of the stuff is obsolete. It actually works out cheaper to give away old HIMAR rockets to Ukraine than to get a professional company to dismantle and dispose of it.


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« Reply #3218 on: May 03, 2024, 06:47:PM »
If this is Ukraine, I have just seen a similar image used on Sky News to justify increased military funding to Ukraine, which left me somewhat bewildered.

The enemy can't keep reducing your towns and cities to smouldering wastelands if you give the defenders the means to stop the aggressors.

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« Reply #3219 on: May 03, 2024, 07:02:PM »
Very little of that 61 billion will be given in cash. Most of it is 61 billion dollars worth of ammunition and missiles that are in US stockpiles. A lot of the stuff is obsolete. It actually works out cheaper to give away old HIMAR rockets to Ukraine than to get a professional company to dismantle and dispose of it.

I didn't know that. That's interesting.

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« Reply #3220 on: May 03, 2024, 07:03:PM »
The enemy can't keep reducing your towns and cities to smouldering wastelands if you give the defenders the means to stop the aggressors.

I understand that. It's the hipocrisy I find bewildering.

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/27/gaza-before-and-after-satellite-images-show-destruction-after-israeli-airstrikes

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« Reply #3222 on: Yesterday at 05:48 PM »
Day 814 of the 10 day special military operation.  Ukrainian drones attacking seaports and oil refineries in Russia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rfH7CFl_eM

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« Reply #3223 on: Yesterday at 10:44 PM »
Day 814 of the 10 day special military operation.  Ukrainian drones attacking seaports and oil refineries in Russia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rfH7CFl_eM
     When was it stated that the SMO was a "10 day" operation? It is an "as long as it takes" operation and it is even clearer now, more than ever, that Russia will defeat the NATO proxy in Ukraine. Your belief in the (transparent to a 5 year old) NATO propaganda is belied by the facts on the ground and doesn't alter those facts. The "as long as it takes" SMO has weakened and exposed NATO as a paper tiger and the end result, as stated by Putin from the beginning, will be a demilitarised and de-nazified(euphemism for de-NATOfied) Ukraine. No NATO missiles/bases will be allowed to be based there and whatever rump is left of Ukraine(if any) will be de-militarised. There is nothing that NATO can do to stop this inevitable outcome. Even NATO entering officially couldn't alter this destiny.
      What would you think changes if NATO "officially enter" the war anyway? NATO have been humiliated in Ukraine. All of their arms, money, training, use of NATO ISR(intel, surveillance, recon) assets such as Global Hawk drones relaying real time info on Russian troop movements and targeting etc. What more, other than the boots on the ground, could NATO do? Could NATO put together a better army than the one they armed , supplied and trained of Ukrainians? Of course they couldn't.
      In an openly declared NATO/Russia war, what do you think are the chances of NATO troops and arms/equipment even getting to the front lines? How many could USA send, NATO's largest standing army, before the returning body bags make it untenable? Would USA seriously dare go to war with Russia directly? It is no longer 1917 or 1941 and the US is no longer protected from the direct effects of open war by the two oceans. Openly declared war with Russia would make certain that America would be directly attacked. What about NATO's second largest standing army, Turkiye? Who imagines for a second that they would send troops to fight Russians? What have the rest of NATO got? The UK army is a joke and couldn't send enough troops and equipment to last a month on a small part of the current front. Likewise the Germans and French. The bunch of ragtag Baltic states, Luxembourg(oh no not the Luxembourg Army) and the rest are a joke. NATO have no cards left to play and the current funding and hot air has more to do with US presidential election cycles than actually believing that "Ukraine can win".  The US funding is only to delay the inevitable humiliating defeat and surrender of Ukraine(and by definition NATO) until after the election.
      Day 814 of the humiliation and exposure as a paper tiger to the world.   

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #3224 on: Yesterday at 10:52 PM »
     When was it stated that the SMO was a "10 day" operation? It is an "as long as it takes" operation and it is even clearer now, more than ever, that Russia will defeat the NATO proxy in Ukraine. Your belief in the (transparent to a 5 year old) NATO propaganda is belied by the facts on the ground and doesn't alter those facts. The "as long as it takes" SMO has weakened and exposed NATO as a paper tiger and the end result, as stated by Putin from the beginning, will be a demilitarised and de-nazified(euphemism for de-NATOfied) Ukraine. No NATO missiles/bases will be allowed to be based there and whatever rump is left of Ukraine(if any) will be de-militarised. There is nothing that NATO can do to stop this inevitable outcome. Even NATO entering officially couldn't alter this destiny.
      What would you think changes if NATO "officially enter" the war anyway? NATO have been humiliated in Ukraine. All of their arms, money, training, use of NATO ISR(intel, surveillance, recon) assets such as Global Hawk drones relaying real time info on Russian troop movements and targeting etc. What more, other than the boots on the ground, could NATO do? Could NATO put together a better army than the one they armed , supplied and trained of Ukrainians? Of course they couldn't.
      In an openly declared NATO/Russia war, what do you think are the chances of NATO troops and arms/equipment even getting to the front lines? How many could USA send, NATO's largest standing army, before the returning body bags make it untenable? Would USA seriously dare go to war with Russia directly? It is no longer 1917 or 1941 and the US is no longer protected from the direct effects of open war by the two oceans. Openly declared war with Russia would make certain that America would be directly attacked. What about NATO's second largest standing army, Turkiye? Who imagines for a second that they would send troops to fight Russians? What have the rest of NATO got? The UK army is a joke and couldn't send enough troops and equipment to last a month on a small part of the current front. Likewise the Germans and French. The bunch of ragtag Baltic states, Luxembourg(oh no not the Luxembourg Army) and the rest are a joke. NATO have no cards left to play and the current funding and hot air has more to do with US presidential election cycles than actually believing that "Ukraine can win".  The US funding is only to delay the inevitable humiliating defeat and surrender of Ukraine(and by definition NATO) until after the election.
      Day 814 of the humiliation and exposure as a paper tiger to the world.   
But it's a Pyrrhic victory, gringo. Plus, everyone knows the real reason for the Ukraine invasion was to provide a buffer zone to keep their ill-gotten Crimea gains, not to de-nazify, which is a slur on the real heroes of 1941-5.

The real winner of the war may be China: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2lekp48n78o
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