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Offline gringo

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #3150 on: December 31, 2023, 11:00:PM »
Please don't insult members' intelligence. Boris Nemtsov was a Professor of Physics at Moscow University. Some idiot. https://youtu.be/vM04zNbsaJg

They tried to kill Navalny. Now he's been arrested on trumped up charges. https://youtu.be/mQUGx0JBE9E

I don't know much about Yekaterina Duntsova. Maybe she was a lightweight. Or maybe Putin didn't want a repeat of the Belarussian election in 2020, which many claim Sviatlana Tsikhanouskaya won. https://youtu.be/v5lrRikWWzI
     Nemtsov wasn't barred from running in the Presidential election. He withdrew in 2008 because he had no support. He was a fringe candidate and never had any popular support.
     Navalny is a fraudster, embezzler and obvious western agent. The notion that Putin tried to have him killed is believed by you despite only propaganda supporting this "theory". Likewise his "candidacy" was promoted despite knowing that it would be rejected because of his fraud conviction from 6/7 years previously. As with Duntsova, there is more propaganda value in Navalny "being barred" from running. He would be unlikely to poll over 2% in an election, which is embarrassing and cannot be spun. 
     Duntsova also "ran a campaign" that was obviously deliberately sabotaged by her own hand. Again her poll numbers would be low, even lower than Navalny.  Again more propaganda value lies in "being barred" than actually running.
     All of the above were/are also obvious paid agents of western agencies. They have no following or popularity in Russia and are unknowns. Their prominence in western media is in stark contrast to their anonymity in Russian politics. Which should tell you all you need to know.

     It isn't that you only "don't know much about Duntsova". You know only what you have been instructed to know by western media about all of them. Which is to say, you don't much about any of them. You are simply indoctrinated and trained to say as your training tells you. You should ask more questions of the "articles" you read. All of the above were/are political lightweights and nonentities. They are relevant only in western media.
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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #3151 on: January 01, 2024, 05:31:PM »
     Nemtsov wasn't barred from running in the Presidential election. He withdrew in 2008 because he had no support. He was a fringe candidate and never had any popular support.
     Navalny is a fraudster, embezzler and obvious western agent. The notion that Putin tried to have him killed is believed by you despite only propaganda supporting this "theory". Likewise his "candidacy" was promoted despite knowing that it would be rejected because of his fraud conviction from 6/7 years previously. As with Duntsova, there is more propaganda value in Navalny "being barred" from running. He would be unlikely to poll over 2% in an election, which is embarrassing and cannot be spun. 
     Duntsova also "ran a campaign" that was obviously deliberately sabotaged by her own hand. Again her poll numbers would be low, even lower than Navalny.  Again more propaganda value lies in "being barred" than actually running.
     All of the above were/are also obvious paid agents of western agencies. They have no following or popularity in Russia and are unknowns. Their prominence in western media is in stark contrast to their anonymity in Russian politics. Which should tell you all you need to know.

     It isn't that you only "don't know much about Duntsova". You know only what you have been instructed to know by western media about all of them. Which is to say, you don't much about any of them. You are simply indoctrinated and trained to say as your training tells you. You should ask more questions of the "articles" you read. All of the above were/are political lightweights and nonentities. They are relevant only in western media.
I'm not sure you quite understand the nature of a totalitarian state, which Russia sadly has become. Why did she ask a multitude of lawyers to approve the application, who all refused? What do you think would happen to any of the lawyers who processed her application? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/23/anti-war-candidate-barred-russia-presidential-election-yekaterina-duntsova

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #3152 on: January 01, 2024, 06:57:PM »
I'm not sure you quite understand the nature of a totalitarian state, which Russia sadly has become. Why did she ask a multitude of lawyers to approve the application, who all refused? What do you think would happen to any of the lawyers who processed her application? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/23/anti-war-candidate-barred-russia-presidential-election-yekaterina-duntsova
     I understand perfectly well the nature of totalitarianism but, unlike you, I also understand perfectly well the nature of propaganda and indoctrination. Nothing would have happened to any lawyers who processed her application except in the fevered imagination of the indoctrinated. From the Guardian article which spins the story as much as they can but facts are stubborn things;

"Duntsova, 40, told reporters her team had assembled the application in a hurry and had trouble finding a lawyer to certify the bid, after dozens of others declined.

She said she had approached the veteran liberal politician Grigory Yavlinsky about the possibility of submitting a new application to stand as a representative of his Yabloko party.

“I hope there will be some kind of reaction … We have similar values in principle,” Duntsova said.

But Yavlinsky said in an interview on YouTube that Yabloko would not back her “because we don’t know her”.

Duntsova had presented papers to the electoral commission less than 72 hours earlier in support of her bid. It was largely ignored by pro-Kremlin state media, which also failed to report on her disqualification."


    Instead of repeating paranoid fantasies about Putin barring Duntsova because...tyrant bla bla, you should ask a few more questions of such articles rather than simply parroting their demonstrably flawed conclusions.
    She is not a serious person or candidate for president. The application was done in a hurry :-[ She has acknowledged that it contained errors :-[ The liberal politician who widely, "shares her views", according to Duntsova refused to back her in standing for the party that he is a member of because, "he doesn't know her" :-[
    But you choose to believe that the unknown whose attempts at running for president are serious, despite those efforts so far having included submitting an error strewn application(by her own admission) followed by unsolicited offers to stand for a party who "don't know her".
     And all of this reported in western media as Putin silencing his rivals. She never intended to run, Steve. Are you really this naive that you cannot see she is a useful idiot for western intel and media? Her prominence in western media is ridiculously disproportionate for such a fringe unknown idiot. This western media reporting alone tells you who and what she is.
     
     

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #3153 on: January 02, 2024, 06:19:AM »
Worth repeating at every Russian election.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNqN0yvkq-M

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #3154 on: January 13, 2024, 05:44:PM »

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« Reply #3156 on: January 27, 2024, 05:08:PM »
"The Genocide Convention governs neither the use of force between States nor the recognition of States, so the subject of Ukraine's claim and request falls outside the Convention.."

"The military operation (Steve says: Russia means the invasion of Ukrainian sovereign territory and the tearing up of the 1994 Budapest Memorandum) was not legally based on the Genocide Convention but on Article 51 of the UN Charter-on exercising the right of self-defence in the event of armed attack-and customary international law."

Discuss.

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/ATAG/2022/729350/EPRS_ATA(2022)729350_EN.pdf

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #3157 on: January 27, 2024, 10:57:PM »
"The Genocide Convention governs neither the use of force between States nor the recognition of States, so the subject of Ukraine's claim and request falls outside the Convention.."

"The military operation (Steve says: Russia means the invasion of Ukrainian sovereign territory and the tearing up of the 1994 Budapest Memorandum) was not legally based on the Genocide Convention but on Article 51 of the UN Charter-on exercising the right of self-defence in the event of armed attack-and customary international law."

Discuss.

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/ATAG/2022/729350/EPRS_ATA(2022)729350_EN.pdf
     Everything that you have asked to discuss already has been. A thread specifically started to correct your constant misinterpretation and infantile understanding of the Budapest Memorandum below;

    https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11882.0.html

     And a thread started on the Minsk Accords where I have already laid out Russia's case based on Article 51 of the UN charter and the doctine of Responsibility to Protect(R2P). Another thread started specifically to correct your non understanding of the issues surrounding the legal arguments and justifications. You had nothing of note to add in either thread and obviously nothing went in. Thread on Minsk and Article 51 below;

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11616.0.html

     If you have anything to add to the discussions, then do so.

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #3158 on: January 27, 2024, 11:22:PM »
     Everything that you have asked to discuss already has been. A thread specifically started to correct your constant misinterpretation and infantile understanding of the Budapest Memorandum below;

    https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11882.0.html

     And a thread started on the Minsk Accords where I have already laid out Russia's case based on Article 51 of the UN charter and the doctine of Responsibility to Protect(R2P). Another thread started specifically to correct your non understanding of the issues surrounding the legal arguments and justifications. You had nothing of note to add in either thread and obviously nothing went in. Thread on Minsk and Article 51 below;

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11616.0.html

     If you have anything to add to the discussions, then do so.
I'll let members judge for themselves whether they believe Russia was acting in self-defence when it crossed the Ukrainian border in February 2022.

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« Reply #3159 on: January 28, 2024, 06:34:PM »
A Russian defense plant engineer committed suicide after a missile he developed killed his grandmother in Ukraine.

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/1acznl7/a_russian_defense_plant_engineer_committed/


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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #3164 on: February 16, 2024, 07:56:PM »
This is a terrible tragedy; unbelievably sad. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news