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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #3090 on: October 08, 2023, 06:57:PM »
It was cock up rather than conspiracy. https://www.thestar.com/politics/federal/chrystia-freeland-acknowledges-that-mps-ignorance-of-history-made-nazi-controversy-even-worse/article_1acb3e88-89e9-56f8-abe4-702802bf8bfc.html
    It is not possible to believe Freeland's claim of ignorance, and you only do so because facing the truth and the evidence shatters your world view.
    Freeland directly quoted from the article you linked;
“None of us understood, none of us recognized what was happening,” Freeland said during an unrelated news conference on Thursday. “That compounds the very grave error and that makes it really painful for all of us.”
    Freeland is the grand daughter of a Nazi propagandist who she credits with shaping her politics. She majored in Russian Literature at Harvard, was an exchange student in Lvov, Ukraine and wrote for the same nationalist publications as her grandfather had contributed to;

Freeland nurtures media career as undercover regime change agent in Soviet-era Ukraine
Following his death in 1984, Chomiak’s granddaughter, Chrystia Freeland, followed in his footsteps as a reporter for various Ukrainian nationalist publications. She was an early contributor to Kubijovych’s Encyclopedia of Ukraine, which whitewashed the record of Nazi collaborators like Stepan Bandera, referring to him as a “revolutionary.” Next, she took a staff position at the Edmonton-based Ukrainian News, where her grandfather had served as editor.

A 1988 edition of Ukrainian News (below) featured an article co-authored by Freeland, followed by an ad for a book called “Fighting for Freedom” which glorified the Ukrainian Waffen-SS Galician division.


    Freeland is steeped in the history of who and what the Ukrainian Nazis are. She is a Nazi. She shares the views of her Nazi grandfather and wrote for Nazi publications. This is all a matter of record, Steve. Those views, that she shares with her Nazi grandfather, regard Stepan Bandera as a hero. She helpfully made this clear when she contributed to the "Encyclopedia of Ukraine" published by the Nazi Volodomyr Kubijovyc in which she whitewashed Bandera as heroic freedom fighter;

     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volodymyr_Kubijovy%C4%8D#:~:text=After%20the%20collapse%20of%20Nazi,Paris%20on%202%20November%201985.

     Freeland is steeped in and very knowledgeable of the history of all of this. She has made clear her views and knowledge over the years by helpfully writing her vile whitewashing and support of Nazis. She doesn't get to claim with that background that;
   "None of us understood, none of us recognised what was happening"
   It is her life's work. She understood very well. Your credulous buying of this pathetic apologia demonstrates your shallowness and lack of critical thought. The article that you linked just begged questions to anyone capable of critical thought. you just took it at face value despite the fact that the whole premise is absurd. That premise being, the idea that Freeland is somehow ignorant of this history.
     
   


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Re: Russia - worrying?
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« Reply #3093 on: November 29, 2023, 09:35:PM »
How Ukraine and Russia Are Both Adapting To Ukraine's Offensive

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlkpwTTR1wU

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #3094 on: November 30, 2023, 06:23:PM »
How Long Does Russia Have Left? Number of Tanks, Each Type, and Their Decline This Year

https://youtu.be/0B_4M5dTHIU?si=9jKh_J1YJo08CtqM&t=110

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #3095 on: November 30, 2023, 06:39:PM »
How Long Does Russia Have Left? Number of Tanks, Each Type, and Their Decline This Year

https://youtu.be/0B_4M5dTHIU?si=9jKh_J1YJo08CtqM&t=110
Leaders of totalitarian states pay lip service to the welfare of their citizens. 50,000 Russian troops have already met their deaths in Ukraine. They can switch domestic production to military when required, no questions asked by the rubber-stamping State Duma.

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« Reply #3096 on: November 30, 2023, 08:06:PM »
How Long Does Russia Have Left?  They have all the time in the world, David. The slow grind and attrition is working just fine for them, NATO/Ukraine, not so much!  Stoltenberg, NATO head, recently admitted that NATO no longer had enough weapons and ammo for a war against Russia. For those who have been paying attention to the unhinged NATO propaganda, this is hilarious.
     For the past , coming up two years, we have been told that Russia are running out of various items. Missiles, shells, tanks, planes, generals etc etc. We have also been told that NATO are definitely not fighting Russia in Ukraine and that Russia are too weak to defeat even Ukraine!! Should NATO enter, then Russia would last 5 minutes, a week or whatever. Anyway, they would definitely be crushed if NATO were to enter according to all media outlets and talking head "experts" allowed in Western media.
     However, despite not fighting Russia, it turns out that NATO have emptied their stocks of shells and ammo while "Not fighting Russia". If your weapon stocks to fight Russia turned out to not even be enough to not fight Russia then it is only going one way if hostilities do start. Russia are still going strong even according to Stoltenberg;


    Russia is not giving up in Ukraine and its warring capacity must not be underestimated, NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg warned on Wednesday (29 November), amid a stalling Ukrainian counter-offensive and signs of Western fatigue after 640 days of war.

“Russia has amassed a large missile stockpile ahead of winter and we see new attempts to strike Ukraine’s power grid and energy infrastructure, trying to leave Ukraine in the dark and cold,” NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg told reporters in Brussels.

“We must not underestimate Russia,” he warned, speaking after NATO foreign ministers met with their Ukrainian counterpart Dmytro Kuleba in the new cooperation format to discuss Kyiv’s path to membership.

Kyiv’s Western allies have been pledging that financial and military support will not falter as other crises in the Middle East have recently diverted part of their attention.

However, securing orders of weapons, especially missiles and ammunition, with the defence industry and pushing for faster production is not going quite as planned, three NATO diplomats told Euractiv, raising the question of whether the West can hold the line in the next months.


   
   
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« Reply #3097 on: November 30, 2023, 10:47:PM »
How Long Does Russia Have Left?  They have all the time in the world, David. The slow grind and attrition is working just fine for them, NATO/Ukraine, not so much!  Stoltenberg, NATO head, recently admitted that NATO no longer had enough weapons and ammo for a war against Russia. For those who have been paying attention to the unhinged NATO propaganda, this is hilarious.
     For the past , coming up two years, we have been told that Russia are running out of various items. Missiles, shells, tanks, planes, generals etc etc. We have also been told that NATO are definitely not fighting Russia in Ukraine and that Russia are too weak to defeat even Ukraine!! Should NATO enter, then Russia would last 5 minutes, a week or whatever. Anyway, they would definitely be crushed if NATO were to enter according to all media outlets and talking head "experts" allowed in Western media.
     However, despite not fighting Russia, it turns out that NATO have emptied their stocks of shells and ammo while "Not fighting Russia". If your weapon stocks to fight Russia turned out to not even be enough to not fight Russia then it is only going one way if hostilities do start. Russia are still going strong even according to Stoltenberg;


    Russia is not giving up in Ukraine and its warring capacity must not be underestimated, NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg warned on Wednesday (29 November), amid a stalling Ukrainian counter-offensive and signs of Western fatigue after 640 days of war.

“Russia has amassed a large missile stockpile ahead of winter and we see new attempts to strike Ukraine’s power grid and energy infrastructure, trying to leave Ukraine in the dark and cold,” NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg told reporters in Brussels.

“We must not underestimate Russia,” he warned, speaking after NATO foreign ministers met with their Ukrainian counterpart Dmytro Kuleba in the new cooperation format to discuss Kyiv’s path to membership.

Kyiv’s Western allies have been pledging that financial and military support will not falter as other crises in the Middle East have recently diverted part of their attention.

However, securing orders of weapons, especially missiles and ammunition, with the defence industry and pushing for faster production is not going quite as planned, three NATO diplomats told Euractiv, raising the question of whether the West can hold the line in the next months.



   

Firstly NATO is not directly at war with Russia. Such a conflict would be over rather quickly. The amount of military aid the US has given Ukraine equates to just 5% of the US annual military budget. If Russia cannot defeat Ukraine and resorts to forcibly mobilizing it population just to hold ground against a much weaker neighbour. Then they sure has hell wont defeat NATO in any event.

What ever is transpiring in your Tankie fantasy world is not relevant unless one is looking for amusement.

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #3098 on: November 30, 2023, 11:14:PM »
Firstly NATO is not directly at war with Russia. Such a conflict would be over rather quickly. The amount of military aid the US has given Ukraine equates to just 5% of the US annual military budget. If Russia cannot defeat Ukraine and resorts to forcibly mobilizing it population just to hold ground against a much weaker neighbour. Then they sure has hell wont defeat NATO in any event.

What ever is transpiring in your Tankie fantasy world is not relevant unless one is looking for amusement.
     NATO is incapable of fighting Russia as is being demonstrated in Ukraine. The notion that NATO aren't involved is laughable and bears zero scrutiny. NATO AWACS planes, satellites, training, mercs?, weapons, ammunition. It is a NATO war and they are being humiliated. Russia made clear their aims at the beginning. It is nothing to do with conquering territory (that will eventually take care of itself) and everything to do with removing the military threat of NATO from their border by "de-militarising Ukraine. A war of attrition suits Russia fine and that is what they have dragged NATO into. You fail to see it because it shatters your world view and it is easier to bury your head in the sand than face the truth.
     There are long term strategies at play which I have explained previously that clearly sail over your two minute soundbite, gif sized intellect. Empire of Lies thread sums it up. Ongoing events tend to support the prognosis outlined in that thread.
     Who do you think would join this NATO war on Russia? What would happen in any of these scenarios? I don't think that you have thought any of this through. War is not a game of Top Trumps. US/NATO Aircraft carriers would not be a factor, just for starters. Russia aren't Iraq or Libya-Russia can sink the entire fleet as NATO well know. How are the long logistic lines going to work out in this NATO war on Russia? Russia won't be moving from their own front garden, whereas NATO will have easily interdicted supply lines of thousands of miles in length.
     NATO defeating Russia is a pipe dream, David. It might happen in Top Trumps and NATO's wet dreams, but not in real life. Russia have no intention of playing away from home, as it were, and they are never defeated with home advantage. It makes a difference which you fail to factor.

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« Reply #3099 on: November 30, 2023, 11:25:PM »
     NATO is incapable of fighting Russia as is being demonstrated in Ukraine. The notion that NATO aren't involved is laughable and bears zero scrutiny. NATO AWACS planes, satellites, training, mercs?, weapons, ammunition. It is a NATO war and they are being humiliated. Russia made clear their aims at the beginning. It is nothing to do with conquering territory (that will eventually take care of itself) and everything to do with removing the military threat of NATO from their border by "de-militarising Ukraine. A war of attrition suits Russia fine and that is what they have dragged NATO into. You fail to see it because it shatters your world view and it is easier to bury your head in the sand than face the truth.
     There are long term strategies at play which I have explained previously that clearly sail over your two minute soundbite, gif sized intellect. Empire of Lies thread sums it up. Ongoing events tend to support the prognosis outlined in that thread.
     Who do you think would join this NATO war on Russia? What would happen in any of these scenarios? I don't think that you have thought any of this through. War is not a game of Top Trumps. US/NATO Aircraft carriers would not be a factor, just for starters. Russia aren't Iraq or Libya-Russia can sink the entire fleet as NATO well know. How are the long logistic lines going to work out in this NATO war on Russia? Russia won't be moving from their own front garden, whereas NATO will have easily interdicted supply lines of thousands of miles in length.
     NATO defeating Russia is a pipe dream, David. It might happen in Top Trumps and NATO's wet dreams, but not in real life. Russia have no intention of playing away from home, as it were, and they are never defeated with home advantage. It makes a difference which you fail to factor.

Ramblings of a mad man.

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #3100 on: December 01, 2023, 12:00:AM »
Ramblings of a mad man.
    I posed some fairly simple questions for you David which you fail to answer. All you have is childish insults, which demonstrates your lack of answers to how NATO will conduct this war on Russia. Some months back, Stoltenberg and other western officials made clear that Russia must be defeated militarily. They have put everything they have into that effort and are further away from their goal. They now talk openly of negotiations and their inability to defeat Russia. Remember the Crimea Summer Party that you invited NGB and myself too. Is that now cancelled?
     Anyway, if my post is the ramblings of a mad man then you will be able to easily either answer or point out the fallacy of the questions posed. Such as, 

      Who do you think would join this NATO war on Russia? (I mean which NATO members to be clear)

      US/NATO Aircraft carriers would not be a factor, just for starters. Russia aren't Iraq or Libya-Russia can sink the entire fleet as NATO well know. How are the long logistic lines going to work out in this NATO war on Russia?

      When you can answer who is in this "fantasy war", we can start to figure out how exactly the logistics of it all is supposed to work. As I say, I am fairly certain that you haven't thought this one through.


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« Reply #3101 on: December 01, 2023, 09:06:AM »
    I posed some fairly simple questions for you David which you fail to answer. All you have is childish insults, which demonstrates your lack of answers to how NATO will conduct this war on Russia. Some months back, Stoltenberg and other western officials made clear that Russia must be defeated militarily. They have put everything they have into that effort and are further away from their goal. They now talk openly of negotiations and their inability to defeat Russia. Remember the Crimea Summer Party that you invited NGB and myself too. Is that now cancelled?
     Anyway, if my post is the ramblings of a mad man then you will be able to easily either answer or point out the fallacy of the questions posed. Such as, 

      Who do you think would join this NATO war on Russia? (I mean which NATO members to be clear)

      US/NATO Aircraft carriers would not be a factor, just for starters. Russia aren't Iraq or Libya-Russia can sink the entire fleet as NATO well know. How are the long logistic lines going to work out in this NATO war on Russia?

      When you can answer who is in this "fantasy war", we can start to figure out how exactly the logistics of it all is supposed to work. As I say, I am fairly certain that you haven't thought this one through.

Questions that have already been answered in the video I have posted on here before

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ek-F8OMD6EM

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #3102 on: December 01, 2023, 10:01:AM »
Questions that have already been answered in the video I have posted on here before

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ek-F8OMD6EM
   But which you are unable to articulate yourself. You never answer questions and it is obvious why you don't. A 13 minute cartoon video is not a serious response but you are not a serious person so it is to be expected.

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« Reply #3104 on: December 01, 2023, 07:24:PM »
Europe is not ready for war with Russia and could be “washed away” in the same way that the Holy Roman Empire was destroyed by Napoleon, said Professor of Military History at the University of Potsdam Sönke Neitzel, quoted by The Times.

The publication calls him "the leading academic authority on modern German military forces."

At a high-level defense conference in Berlin, several German generals also suggested that NATO may not be able to win the “first battle” in the event of aggression in eastern Europe because it would struggle to move enough troops and equipment quickly enough.

Neitzel called European logistics a “nightmare” and said Germany needed at least 15 years to prepare for war.

“It is absolutely clear: if our armed forces are going to fight, they will die without drones, without air defense, without sufficient supplies. Is our message [to German leaders] clear enough? They will die and that is your responsibility,” he said at the Berlin Security Conference.

    It appears that, "Professor of Military History at the University of Potsdam Sönke Neitzel and the leading academic authority on modern German military forces", obviously hasn't seen your 13 minute cartoon video, David.