Russia - worrying?

[gringo]

     David, you act and post like a child with ADHD.

[David1819]

     David, you act and post like a child with ADHD.

You act and post like a Ghanaian employee in a Russian troll factory.

[David1819]

Talking of Communism Neil. I am playing a new game that's been released today. Its based in an alternate 1955 Communist utopia with lots of robots!







https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_Heart_(video_game)

Ukraine are already calling for this game to banned.

https://thegamespoof.com/gaming-news/ukraine-calls-to-ban-the-sale-of-atomic-heart/

Wont stop me playing it. Its really good.

[David1819]

Ukraine are already calling for this game to banned.

https://thegamespoof.com/gaming-news/ukraine-calls-to-ban-the-sale-of-atomic-heart/

Wont stop me playing it. Its really good.

This is certainly Russian propaganda to an extent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXSi4EcxnuY

[gringo]

I am no fan of our foreign policy and arms sales etc. It is a disgrace what has happened in the countries you refer to. It's a disgrace that it isn't headline news over here.

I am very sceptical that Ukrainian forces are responsible for devastating whole built up areas in Ukraine that are populated by Ukrainians loyal to Ukraine etc. It's possible they have had some input in this.

I just don't see Russia in exactly the same favourable light as you do. There's an old saying: two wrongs don't make a right.

    Not being a fan of our foreign policy but then seamlessly segueing into criticism of other countries overlooks the inevitable premise that results from the "foreign policy" that you are no fan of, Roch. The Nuremberg Trials, although massively flawed, nonetheless established principles and precedents that are difficult to disagree with. Below, the reasoning that establishes aggression as the "supreme international crime". 

Aggression is one of the core crimes in international criminal law, alongside genocide, crimes against humanity, and war crimes. In 1946, the International Military Tribunal ruled that aggression was "the supreme international crime" because "it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole".


     Many would, and do, argue that what we call, "foreign policy" is in fact the "supreme international crime" of aggression. I would certainly agree with this. We have committed countless crimes of aggression, especially since the break up of USSR, and any response to those crimes is "contained within itself the accumulated evil of the whole".
     We have been committing the crime of aggression against Russia for decades. There is no need for Russia to be aggressive towards the West. Russia has all they need. Unfortunately the West sees this as "Russia has all the West needs". Hence the constant provocations.
     It is, in my view, too short sighted to dismiss UK/NATO "foreign policy" with a sort of hand wave and then immediately discuss the so called "crimes" of others. Our "foreign policy" by any reasonable interrogation is the "supreme international crime" and has been for a long time.

[gringo]

https://twitter.com/i/status/1621516327528833025

    The short video in the link gives quite a bit of detail in just over 2 mins about NATO invoking R2P under Art. 51. The press reports all fake. The photos staged. We don't have a foreign policy-it is an ongoing "supreme international crime" scene.

[David1819]

https://twitter.com/i/status/1621516327528833025

    The short video in the link gives quite a bit of detail in just over 2 mins about NATO invoking R2P under Art. 51. The press reports all fake. The photos staged. We don't have a foreign policy-it is an ongoing "supreme international crime" scene.

Not only is Gringo a Russian imperialist he is also a genocide denier. Charming.

I know a Bosnian who fled to Sweden in the 1990s. I used to see him on a yearly basis from 2000 till 2005 whenever I visited family in Sweden. He flat out refused to talk about his experiences of the war. At the time I was too young to grasp the state of affairs. But makes sense in retrospect.

[gringo]

Not only is Gringo a Russian imperialist he is also a genocide denier. Charming.

I know a Bosnian who fled to Sweden in the 1990s. I used to see him on a yearly basis from 2000 till 2005 whenever I visited family in Sweden. He flat out refused to talk about his experiences of the war. At the time I was too young to grasp the state of affairs. But makes sense in retrospect.

   This is an example of how debased and infantilised, debate has become in the UK and wider west.
     Aside from posting various weak and childish insults about me-almost every post-Tankie, conspiritard, genocide denier, commie, something about Stalin, Nazi etc-various idiotic gifs-links to war porn-waving your dumb flag as if you are supporting a football team rather than commenting on the most serious geopolitical crisis in our lifetimes-you have contributed nothing of any note to this thread.
     On the other hand,  I have always been able to support and articulate my views and answer all serious questions(as well as many idiotic ones) fully and coherently when asked. My questions, though, are met with the above kind of nonsense.
     You should spend more time informing yourself by reading opinions that challenge your world view and less time playing infantile war games before offering your "thoughts". You may have something to say then and you wouldn't need to fill your posts with Gifs, insults and cartoons. You need to realise that some things are too complicated to be understood in the two minute attention span that too many in the West now appear to have. World affairs are too complex to form a view on based on soundbites and two minute Good-guy/Bad-guy reporting. You, David, are nowhere near forming a coherent understanding of the world. 

[David1819]

   This is an example of how debased and infantilised, debate has become in the UK and wider west.
     Aside from posting various weak and childish insults about me-almost every post-Tankie, conspiritard, genocide denier, commie

No, I am merely describing you, based on your own admissions. For example -

Genocide denier - You just made a post denying the Bosnian genocide and a few weeks ago you described notorious Holocaust denier David Irving as a "brilliant historian".

Tankie/Commie - By your own admission you described yourself as a "Marijuana Marxist" and "Cannabis Communist" and post quotes by Vladmir Lenin.

Conspiratard - You have entertained a wide range of ludicrous conspiracy theories from Skripal to the 9/11 attacks to name a few.

On the other hand,  I have always been able to support and articulate my views and answer all serious questions(as well as many idiotic ones) fully and coherently when asked.

No, you do not. You either cite Russian propaganda or make things up on the spot. You claimed there was CCTV footage coverage of Skripals front door when there wasn't. You claimed there was "zero mentions" of Novichok in the OPCW reports. I looked, lo and behold it was there. You then started claiming the OPCW was corrupt. You then baselessly claimed the Western intelligence invented Novichok, I cited quotes from the Russian chemist who was involved in its production.

You rant about the treatment of Julian Assange yet turn a blind eye to or deny the fact that 82 journalists have been murdered in Russia since 1992.

You rant about the USA using dubious and fabricated claims about WMDs to invade Iraq (a valid point). Yet you support a Russian invasion using the same playbook. You rant about America going to war in Iraq while not having explicit authorization by the UN, yet here you are supporting a country that has done the exact same thing. You even rant about the US liberating Kuwait despite having explicit authorization by the UN (a resolution that Russia supported also).

You rant about how badly the Israelis treat their Muslim population (which is a valid point) yet you talk favourably about China, a country that has placed a million or so of its Muslim population in Xinjiang internment camps against their will. Then you deny the ethnic cleansing of Muslims in former Yugoslavia.

You are a walking talking hypocritical contraction, who's arguments are untenable in context as a whole. It makes no sense to debate with such a person. Hence you receive mocking gifs and memes that your comments aptly deserve in response.

[nugnug]

trump admits it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3UT8RRI3i8

[Steve_uk]

trump admits it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3UT8RRI3i8

It's fake news. https://voxukraine.org/en/the-maidan-in-2014-is-a-coup-d-etat-a-review-of-italian-and-german-pro-russian-media/

[David1819]

History repeating itself.

https://twitter.com/georgian_legion/status/1628891508488261632

[handymanz]

History repeating itself.

https://twitter.com/georgian_legion/status/1628891508488261632

Yes we're heading into another world conflict, because the West likes to meddle and interfere with the geopolitics of other nations, that it should just stay out of.

But at least you're listening to Putin's speeches.

[David1819]

Yes we're heading into another world conflict, because the West likes to meddle and interfere with the geopolitics of other nations, that it should just stay out of.

But at least you're listening to Putin's speeches.

I listened to Putlers "three day special military operation" speech on the day of the invasion.

[handymanz]

I listened to Putlers "three day special military operation" speech on the day of the invasion.

And what is it that he's said, that makes you think people like you & me in the West need to get involved with the Geopolitics of an area, we know nothing about or have experienced.?