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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #2535 on: February 18, 2023, 09:17:PM »
Wagner chief openly blasts Russia’s official military leadership

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwdJ1xeSRjM

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #2536 on: February 18, 2023, 09:21:PM »
The likes of NGB and Gringo along with much of the western left (Chomsky and Mélenchon ect) have never forgiven Eastern European countries like Ukraine for rejecting/overthrowing communism and seeking to join the West. To them, the entire region must be subjugated again as punishment.

I hope you are joking.  That is an utterly ridiculous statement, as you must realise.


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« Reply #2537 on: February 18, 2023, 09:29:PM »
I hope you are joking.  That is an utterly ridiculous statement, as you must realise.
   He isn't. Yes it is and no he doesn't. In that order, NGB

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #2538 on: February 18, 2023, 09:34:PM »
   He isn't. Yes it is and no he doesn't. In that order, NGB

Oh dear. :o

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #2539 on: February 18, 2023, 09:35:PM »
I hope you are joking.  That is an utterly ridiculous statement, as you must realise.

Could be tongue in cheek.

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« Reply #2540 on: February 18, 2023, 09:46:PM »
I hope you are joking.  That is an utterly ridiculous statement, as you must realise.

Not joking. I have not seen you condemn Russia's actions over the last year at all. Gringo is a western genocide apologist who is still denying any Russian wrongdoing, accusing Ukraine of staging the massacres and mass graves of its own people, and is even denying the invasion all together. This is the person who you claim to agree with "96.5%" of the time.

That's all I have to go on. So, do correct me if you position is different.
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« Reply #2541 on: February 18, 2023, 09:52:PM »
Gringo is a western genocide apologist who is still denying any Russian wrongdoing, accusing Ukraine of staging the massacres and mass graves of its own people, and is even denying the invasion all together.

I will leave Gringo to respond to that, as I am sure he will very effectively.


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« Reply #2542 on: February 18, 2023, 09:57:PM »
Oh dear. :o
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Could be tongue in cheek.
Not joking. I have not seen you condemn Russia's actions over the last year at all. Gringo is a western genocide apologist who is still denying any Russian wrongdoing, accusing Ukraine of staging the massacres and mass graves of its own people, and is even denying the invasion all together. This is the person who you claim to agree with "96.5%" of the time.

That's all I have to go on. So, do correct me if you position is different.
   He isn't. Yes it is and no he doesn't. In that order, NGB
      >:( >:( >:(   "Western genocide apologist"?  :)) :))
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« Reply #2543 on: February 18, 2023, 10:15:PM »
I will leave Gringo to respond to that, as I am sure he will very effectively.

Gringo is type A.

Roch was on there somewhere but seems to have come to his senses.

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #2544 on: February 18, 2023, 10:27:PM »
Not joking. I have not seen you condemn Russia's actions over the last year at all. Gringo is a western genocide apologist who is still denying any Russian wrongdoing, accusing Ukraine of staging the massacres and mass graves of its own people, and is even denying the invasion all together. This is the person who you claim to agree with "96.5%" of the time.

That's all I have to go on. So, do correct me if you position is different.
    Gringo's a bastard grrr! and a conspiritard and a commie grrr!, Putin/Assad apologist and probably changed his dog's name to Vlad (who he walks whilst sitting in his Z emblazoned mobility scooter)  >:( >:( something about toilets and Stalin  >:( >:( >:( 

     NGB, no doubt swayed by your compelling advocacy, is probably questioning his 96.5% agreement as we type. After your brilliant argument- I am expecting a raise.

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« Reply #2545 on: February 18, 2023, 10:44:PM »
     Moving on from David's meltdown  :-[

    From the always excellent Bernhard Horst at Moon of Alabama;

There is some interesting news on the casualty count in the war in Ukraine.

Ivan Katchanovski translated bits from a Russian language BBC report:

"Based on open sources, the BBC managed to establish the names of 14,709 Russian soldiers who died in the war in Ukraine. Throughout 2022, Russian sources typically reported about 250-300 dead each week. In January, these figures doubled." #Russia 1/
"But in just two weeks in February, the BBC Russian Service, together with Mediazona (recognized as a "foreign agent" in Russia) and a team of volunteers, managed to confirm the names of 1,679 dead, which is five times more than the usual weekly numbers." #Ukraine #ukrainewar 2/

The war started in eighths week of 2022. There were thus 44 weeks in the rest of the year. With 300 dead per week the number of Russians killed until the end of 2022 was 13,200. (These numbers likely included the number of Wagner mercenaries killed but probably not those of the Donbas militia.)

The BBC then counts 2,400 killed in January and 1,700 in February.

The total is thus below 20,000 the number Col. MacGregor and others have estimated for the Russian side. The BBC says it estimates that it only catches half of the dead but gives no sound reason why that would be the case.

The daily losses on the Ukrainian side are much higher. The daily clobber list of the Russian Ministry of Defense mentions about 400 Ukrainians killed every day. This is consistent with the numbers Ukraine's government mentioned last summer and fall.

Over the 358 days of the war the total sums up to about 143,000. The Russian reports do not include the number of those who got killed by the Wagner mercenaries in the Bakhmut area. That number is by likely well above 20,000.


     Full piece below in link.
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/02/ukraine-sitrep-casualty-numbers-lack-of-tanks-something-is-up.html#more

     True losses and rates of attrition in this war are becoming too large to hide. The crushing defeat of what was a NATO trained proxy plus thousands of NATO operatives now being slowly admitted.
     

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #2546 on: February 19, 2023, 07:51:AM »
     Moving on from David's meltdown  :-[

    From the always excellent Bernhard Horst at Moon of Alabama;

There is some interesting news on the casualty count in the war in Ukraine.

Ivan Katchanovski translated bits from a Russian language BBC report:

"Based on open sources, the BBC managed to establish the names of 14,709 Russian soldiers who died in the war in Ukraine. Throughout 2022, Russian sources typically reported about 250-300 dead each week. In January, these figures doubled." #Russia 1/
"But in just two weeks in February, the BBC Russian Service, together with Mediazona (recognized as a "foreign agent" in Russia) and a team of volunteers, managed to confirm the names of 1,679 dead, which is five times more than the usual weekly numbers." #Ukraine #ukrainewar 2/

The war started in eighths week of 2022. There were thus 44 weeks in the rest of the year. With 300 dead per week the number of Russians killed until the end of 2022 was 13,200. (These numbers likely included the number of Wagner mercenaries killed but probably not those of the Donbas militia.)

The BBC then counts 2,400 killed in January and 1,700 in February.

The total is thus below 20,000 the number Col. MacGregor and others have estimated for the Russian side. The BBC says it estimates that it only catches half of the dead but gives no sound reason why that would be the case.

The daily losses on the Ukrainian side are much higher. The daily clobber list of the Russian Ministry of Defense mentions about 400 Ukrainians killed every day. This is consistent with the numbers Ukraine's government mentioned last summer and fall.

Over the 358 days of the war the total sums up to about 143,000. The Russian reports do not include the number of those who got killed by the Wagner mercenaries in the Bakhmut area. That number is by likely well above 20,000.


     Full piece below in link.
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/02/ukraine-sitrep-casualty-numbers-lack-of-tanks-something-is-up.html#more

     True losses and rates of attrition in this war are becoming too large to hide. The crushing defeat of what was a NATO trained proxy plus thousands of NATO operatives now being slowly admitted.
   

You have now gone from fake Mossad reports back to an obscure forum full of drunks.  :))

Any intelligence updates from the creationists at the blogmire?

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #2547 on: February 19, 2023, 12:34:PM »

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #2548 on: February 19, 2023, 01:08:PM »
You have now gone from fake Mossad reports back to an obscure forum full of drunks.  :))

Any intelligence updates from the creationists at the blogmire?
   It is a BBC report that is being discussed. The numbers are from the BBC. You really are a moron aren't you? Outside of the Western reporting/propaganda bubble that you inhabit, it is well understood that the casualty figures are skewed massively in favour of Russia and that Ukraine are suffering unsustainable losses of men.
    It is also well understood that there is nothing NATO/Ukraine can do to reverse this.
    The collapse of NATO/Western imperialism is happening in front of you in real time and you can't see it. Blowing up pipelines, sending F22 jets to shoot down weather balloons, making up idiotic UFO stories-it's over.
    Terrorism and false flag attacks is all NATO have left. They cannot defeat Russia in a European land war. And now they want to fight China. NATO are being taught the real meaning of the "International Community" to which they often refer. Turns out NATO aren't even in it.
   
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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #2549 on: February 19, 2023, 01:16:PM »
he refused to lockdown making him the most democratic leader in the world and one of the greatist he refused to destroy his countrys econemy  to help the rich.