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« Reply #2310 on: January 23, 2023, 11:08:PM »
It is good that you post this gringo.  The crawling adulation of the current Ukrainian regime, especially in the "liberal" press is nauseating.  Ukrainian nationalism is a disgusting ideology, rooted in fascism.  The cult of Bandera is beyond sick, and the idea that the Azov Battalion are defenders of liberal democracy is beyond ludicrous.  The BBC and the Guardian hiding Nazi insignia in their images of "brave Ukranians" has been sickening.  It is as bad as the eulogising of those "freedom fighting mujahidin"  scumbags in Afghanistan, who with CIA backing defeated the only decent society that the people there experienced.  Look where Afghanistan is now, compared to where it was in the 1970s.

 
    Couldn't have put it better, ngb. Many in the west of Ukraine see Bandera as a national hero. The whitewashing of who these people are has been, as you say, the most nauseating.
     Whilst information starved westerners(self-styled international community) may still believe that the fight against Russia is "defending western values and democracy" the people they need to convince(rest of the world) see things as they are. The go slow of Russia's operations and the desperation of NATO helping to further expose NATO depravity. Supporting, arming, training and fighting alongside Nazis, makes one a Nazi. Therefore NATO are Nazis.
   

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« Reply #2311 on: January 24, 2023, 12:07:AM »
It is good that you post this gringo.  The crawling adulation of the current Ukrainian regime, especially in the "liberal" press is nauseating.  Ukrainian nationalism is a disgusting ideology, rooted in fascism.  The cult of Bandera is beyond sick, and the idea that the Azov Battalion are defenders of liberal democracy is beyond ludicrous.  The BBC and the Guardian hiding Nazi insignia in their images of "brave Ukranians" has been sickening.  It is as bad as the eulogising of those "freedom fighting mujahidin"  scumbags in Afghanistan, who with CIA backing defeated the only decent society that the people there experienced.  Look where Afghanistan is now, compared to where it was in the 1970s.

 
   It's last days in the bunkers stuff from NATO nazis now. They are falling apart whilst attempting to project unity. Hungary have just had a huge purge of military officers. DeNATOfication it is being referred to as. There is a lot of "chatter" around this. Big things are brewing. Hungarian article below. Use google translate.
https://telex.hu/belfold/2023/01/22/hadsereg-katonasag-honvedseg-tiszt-ezredes-tabornok-leepites-elbocsatas
 Brief part of article below;

Some people talk about political cleansing
None of those we interviewed accepted the statement by name, and it was not easy to speak to some even anonymously. "I'll be fired tomorrow if I speak out," one of them said.

Everyone emphasized that they are far from having a complete view of the processes, so the emerging picture also shows in our article what explanations for the downsizing are circulating in military circles, it may become clearer later how close to the truth they are.


The sources speaking to us in the background can basically be divided into two groups. One group includes those who have heard that a primarily political purge is taking place. For them, such a downsizing during the large-scale war taking place next door is unjustified, they do not understand why the organic organizational change, which otherwise characterizes the national defense, is inappropriate. After all, obviously young people come here too, and older people leave the staff, even without a wave of layoffs.

There were those who heard that some people were called home from a NATO mission or mission abroad to inform them that they were no longer needed, but they did not yet know who would take their place. We also hear about high-ranking soldiers who "have been building themselves up for 20-30 years" and now they are "white-faced" waiting for their turn. It is also heard that it is easy to "get on the list of suspects" who has worked for a long time in a NATO command or in the foreign service. Previously, in connection with the firings, the former Secretary of State for National Defense Ágnes Vadai from DK also referred to "NATO exemption".

   Also of note is piece quoted below;

Journalists from Hungary report that the Kiev regime is conducting ethnic cleansing by forcibly mobilizing Hungarians — Mass mobilization of Hungarians has begun in the Transcarpathian region of Ukraine.
Over the past few days, military enlistment offices have been on duty in public places, and also conducted house-to-house and apartment-by-apartment rounds with summonses in the cities of Beregovo,Vinogradov and in the village of Surte.These Settlements are places of compact residence for the Hungarian diaspora, whose share of the local population is 30-50%.


    Orban has cleared out the military of potential coup plotters a la Turkey, it appears. It would not be surprising to see a future Hungarian move into Transcarpathia. There are many examples on social media of Ukrainians being forcefully conscripted-grabbed off the street and bundled into vans.
    The longer that this drags on, contrary to western media and governments propaganda talking points,  NATO weakness is exposed and Russian strength emphasised. The long war suits Russia far more than NATO.
    Instead of attacking and taking land, as NATO planned for and expected, Russia have dragged NATO into WW2 style trench warfare. A war of attrition on Russia's terms where they are firing 6 times more artillery shells everyday than the Ukrainians. Losses of manpower also favours Russia massively- something like 8-1. NATO have no answer. Pour as many arms in as they want. Russia has way more to pour in yet. As Putin said a month or so back; "We haven't even started yet"
    Turkiye, Hungary. The pathetic "Talinn nine" agreement exposing the disunity in NATO. The Talinn 9 probably some sort of pathetic attempt by the UK, who head it, to show some sort of updated "Coalition of the willing". No Germany, France, Italy. The cracks are becoming fissures. More like a pack of yapping poodles.
   
   


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« Reply #2312 on: January 24, 2023, 12:38:AM »
Former top FBI official Charles McGonigal arrested over ties to Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/former-fbi-official-charles-mcgonigal-arrested-ties-russian/story?id=96609658

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« Reply #2313 on: January 24, 2023, 01:04:AM »
   The Russian motives are plain to see and spelled out. They will not tolerate a hostile state hosting nuclear weapons in its backyard. NATO will comply.
    This is the problem with such a controlled media space.

    Russia: We are going to do A & B to achieve C.
    NATO govs & media: Putin wants to do X & Y to achieve Z
    Russia: Do A & B- achieve C
    NATO: Putin and Russia are too weak to do X & Y to achieve Z. We won!
             
    Alastair Crooke latest in Strategic Culture;

https://strategic-culture.org/news/2023/01/23/the-most-egregious-mistake/
    Taster below;
 It is the miscalculation of this era – one that may begin the collapse of dollar primacy, and therefore, global compliance with U.S. political demands, too. But its most grievous content is that it corners the U.S. into promoting dangerous Ukrainian escalation against Russia directly (i.e. Crimea).
Washington dares not – indeed cannot – yield on dollar primacy, the ultimate signifier for ‘American decline’. And so the U.S. government is hostage to its financial hegemony in a way that is rarely fully understood.

The Biden Team cannot withdraw its fantastical narrative of Russia’s imminent humiliation; they have bet the House on it. Yet it has become an existential issue for the U.S. precisely because of this egregious initial miscalculation that has been subsequently levered-up into a preposterous narrative of a floundering, at any moment ‘collapsing’ Russia.

What then is this ‘Great Surprise’ – the almost completely unforeseen event of recent geo-politics that has so shaken U.S. expectations, and which takes the world to the precipice?

It is, in a word, Resilience. The Resilience displayed by the Russian economy after the West had committed the entire weight of its financial resources to crushing Russia. The West bore down on Russia in every conceivable way – via financial, cultural and psychological war – and with real military war as the follow-through.

Yet, Russia has survived, and survived relatively handsomely. It is doing ‘okay’ – maybe better, even, than many Russia insiders were expecting. The ‘Anglo’ Intelligence services however, had assured EU leaders not to worry; it’s ‘slam dunk’; Putin cannot possibly survive. Rapid financial and political collapse, they promised, was certain under the tsunami of western sanctions.

Their analysis represents an Intelligence failure on a par with the non-existent Iraqi weapons of mass destruction. But instead of critical re-examination, as events failed to provide confirmation, they doubled down. But two such failures are just ‘too much’ to bear.

So why does this ‘failed expectation’ constitute such a world-shaking moment for our era? It is because the West fears that its miscalculation might well lead to the collapse of its dollar hegemony. But the fear extends well beyond that too – (bad as ‘that’ would be from the U.S. perspective).

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« Reply #2314 on: January 24, 2023, 01:28:AM »
International push for Nuremberg-style tribunal to hold Vladimir Putin responsible for war in Ukraine

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-24/push-to-hold-putin-criminally-responsible-for-ukraine-war/101882574

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« Reply #2315 on: January 24, 2023, 01:48:AM »
International push for Nuremberg-style tribunal to hold Vladimir Putin responsible for war in Ukraine

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-24/push-to-hold-putin-criminally-responsible-for-ukraine-war/101882574
   Did you even read the article you posted? The contents don't match the headline.
    The Kiev regime and some vague wishful thinking about a future General Assembly vote, which they admit would be difficult and unlikely to succeed, to put pressure on Russia or some copium. What an absolute fact free piece of drivel. Who gives a f#!k about anything coming from the about to collapse regime in Ukraine?
    The real International community meanwhile are pushing back and US/UK and the rest of the NATO minions will be facing up to their own responsibility for their decades of aggression.

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« Reply #2316 on: January 24, 2023, 02:56:AM »
Polish PM @MorawieckiM:

“Ukraine and Europe will win this war, with Germany or without it”

    More NATO and EU unity. Much to take apart for such a short statement.
   The Polish PM declaring openly that "Europe" are at war with Russia. "With or without Germany"-EU and NATO member. The disunity in NATO and the EU is coming out into the open. They are in no state to take on Russia. Their statements of the imminent demise of Russia have less credibility than their statements from 2011 onwards predicting the imminent demise of Bashar al Assad.
    All the bullshit about what Russia can't supposedly do and yet NATO/US failures and fiascoes litter recent history. They couldn't successfully take down Syria and imagine that they can take on Russia. Delusional. US presence will soon disappear forever from Syria and the wider Middle East. A typical piece of western journalism and analysis from 2012 below. The media and western governments were all as one on this and you can find countless articles making the same horseshit "analysis"at this time. All the same. Almost as if they are instructed ::)

https://carnegieendowment.org/2012/02/29/fall-of-bashar-al-assad-s-regime-is-inevitable-pub-47334

    How's it going? Everyone promising Assad's demise have long gone while he is still there.
    Good luck with Putin and Russia :))
     
   
   


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« Reply #2318 on: January 24, 2023, 09:08:AM »
   Who gives a f#!k about anything coming from the about to collapse regime in Ukraine?
   

About to collapse? Another one of your delusions like your claim that Russia would take the entire Ukrainian coast including Odesa.  :))


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« Reply #2319 on: January 24, 2023, 01:23:PM »
  About to collapse? Another one of your delusions like your claim that Russia would take the entire Ukrainian coast including Odesa.
  Meanwhile, Ukrainian "governance"? continues to fall apart spectacularly. Realism is catching up with many who realise they are being used by western financial interests. Their blood and treasure being spent for the benefit of others. Reality has a way of forcing people to "wise up".
   The latest to go, a matter of hours ago, Deputy Defense Minister Vyacheslav Shapovalov. This follows only hours after Kyrylo Tymoshenko. Deputy Head of Presidential Office resigned/was sacked.
    Last week presidential adviser Oleksiy Arestovych resigned after revealing that Ukraine's air defense system was responsible for the Dnipro apartment strike. The heads of the Dnepropetrovsk, Zaporizhia, Kherson and Sumy regions of Ukraine have also resigned. Zelensky has banned officials from leaving the country in a supposed corruption crackdown.
    All of this follows the helicopter crash in Kiev a week ago in which the entire leadership of the Ministry of Internal Affairs were killed. Arestovych, former Presidential adviser, has been making many interesting statements and admissions since his "resignation?" Latest revelation below;

https://twitter.com/i/status/1617176607478743040

   This is only scratching the surface of the disarray in the supposed Ukrainian leadership. It will soon only exist only as a land-locked rump state, at best. Odessa will not be left to Ukrainian governance. Arestovych is manoeuvring himself for some position in a post NATO/Zelensky administration.
    The losses and the lies are catching up and can't be hidden any longer. Only the hopelessly propagandised fail to read the writing on the wall now. It is no surprise that David is amongst them.


   

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« Reply #2320 on: January 24, 2023, 01:52:PM »
About to collapse? Another one of your delusions like your claim that Russia would take the entire Ukrainian coast including Odesa.
  Meanwhile, Ukrainian "governance"? continues to fall apart spectacularly. Realism is catching up with many who realise they are being used by western financial interests. Their blood and treasure being spent for the benefit of others. Reality has a way of forcing people to "wise up".
   The latest to go, a matter of hours ago, Deputy Defense Minister Vyacheslav Shapovalov. This follows only hours after Kyrylo Tymoshenko. Deputy Head of Presidential Office resigned/was sacked.
    Last week presidential adviser Oleksiy Arestovych resigned after revealing that Ukraine's air defense system was responsible for the Dnipro apartment strike. The heads of the Dnepropetrovsk, Zaporizhia, Kherson and Sumy regions of Ukraine have also resigned. Zelensky has banned officials from leaving the country in a supposed corruption crackdown.
    All of this follows the helicopter crash in Kiev a week ago in which the entire leadership of the Ministry of Internal Affairs were killed. Arestovych, former Presidential adviser, has been making many interesting statements and admissions since his "resignation?" Latest revelation below;

https://twitter.com/i/status/1617176607478743040

   This is only scratching the surface of the disarray in the supposed Ukrainian leadership. It will soon only exist only as a land-locked rump state, at best. Odessa will not be left to Ukrainian governance. Arestovych is manoeuvring himself for some position in a post NATO/Zelensky administration.
    The losses and the lies are catching up and can't be hidden any longer. Only the hopelessly propagandised fail to read the writing on the wall now. It is no surprise that David is amongst them.


   

If the Kyiv government didn't collapse when the Russian troops were just 19 miles away with saboteurs already in the city. It is certainly not going to happen now.

I will let the battlefield speak for itself. And you will continue to make up excuses for the Russian failure to hold onto an single key city. Your belief that Russia will somehow retake Kherson then go onto occupy Mykolaiv and Odesa is almost as crazy as your prediction three years ago that Assad will throw the Israelis out of the Golan heights.

Time will tell who is correct. And it will only make you look more and more delusional.

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« Reply #2323 on: January 24, 2023, 08:46:PM »
What is your point?

Joining into a non-aggression pact with Nazis. Negotiating to potentially become part of an alliance with Nazi's and showing approval for Hitler's night of the long knives, is not an entity that "opposed fascism and the Nazis throughout".

Nor does such entity attract fascist admirers. Such as Francis Yockey.

https://dergipark.org.tr/en/pub/rad/issue/23278/248454

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Parker_Yockey
« Last Edit: January 24, 2023, 08:48:PM by David1819 »

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« Reply #2324 on: January 24, 2023, 09:59:PM »
What is your point?
    Barely any, if any, of David's posts on this thread have had any point other than childish trolling. His only point seems to be to run interference. He ruins the thread with his name calling, flag waving, meme laden idiocy. Never anything to add or any attempt at serious discussion. By a country mile-his posts on this thread are the least informative or interesting and most childish of all who post on it.