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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #2206 on: January 12, 2023, 07:05:PM »

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« Reply #2207 on: January 14, 2023, 04:36:PM »
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64274755

Hopefully this is the beginning of an avalanche of advanced NATO weaponry to end this Russian invasion and drive them back to their shithole of a country.

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #2208 on: January 14, 2023, 05:28:PM »
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64274755

Hopefully this is the beginning of an avalanche of advanced NATO weaponry to end this Russian invasion and drive them back to their shithole of a country.
I'm not sure it's that simple. In 1941 the USA passed the Lend-Lease Act to assist us, but Nazi Germany was not a nuclear power. As for Russia's economy, when purchasing power parity is factored in you might be surprised at the results. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #2209 on: January 15, 2023, 01:14:AM »
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64274755

Hopefully this is the beginning of an avalanche of advanced NATO weaponry to end this Russian invasion and drive them back to their shithole of a country.

If NATO carry on supplying Ukraine with weaponry and China decide to side with Russia causing WW3, the war that follows will be fought with sticks and stones.

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« Reply #2210 on: January 15, 2023, 04:30:AM »
If NATO carry on supplying Ukraine with weaponry and China decide to side with Russia causing WW3, the war that follows will be fought with sticks and stones.

China are not supplying Russia hence they are resorting to being supplied by Iran.

Winnie the Pooh wants nothing to do with Vladolf Putlers war.

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #2211 on: January 16, 2023, 12:47:AM »
    No amount of NATO weaponry will change the inevitable outcome in Ukraine. Outside of the western controlled and censored media, everyone who is taken seriously understands this. Ukrainian losses are horrendous and far exceed those of Russia and the Donbass, Luhansk militias. The current rate of attrition is horrendous and is somewhere around 8/10 to 1 according to Col. McGregor, Scott Ritter and most observers of this conflict. 
    Zelensky self evidently has no agency. He is a puppet of the NATO countries currently funding his senseless slaughter of Ukrainians. NATO have been in this war from the start and have been preparing for longer. They still face certain defeat and the break up of NATO after this ill advised step too far.
    What happened to all of the other NATO wunderwaffen game changing weapons? What do you suggest that NATO should send next? Jets? Tanks? Air Defence systems? How long does it take to train crews for these new weapons? Would NATO crews man the tanks and AD systems and openly enter the conflict? Should they send jets-Who would crew them? Would NATO dare expose their flying turkeys to Russian AD? Of course they wouldn't. They would be fighting a real army now, not some kalashnikov wielding goat herders.
    Russia have been preparing to fight NATO for decades. They understand that NATO is nothing more than the military muscle behind the bankers and financiers who control western "democracies". The bankers covet the control of Russia's unparalleled resources of oil, gas, gold, mineral wealth, vast agricultural resources etc. and a confrontation was inevitable. Russia have the backing of the rest of the globe. They are just the front man for the military dismantling of Western Empire. China, India, Iran, the Saudis along with others are busy working on the economic war, along with Russia, against the dollar. This is also going badly for Empire. The dollar is being sidelined in huge long term strategic deals between China,Iran, Saudis etc.
     As I have said previously, on this thread, years ago. NATO are armed for last centuries wars against weak and powerless countries hence aircraft carriers, hundreds of jets. None of those would last 5 minutes against Russia, China or even Iran. They have spent their money and research and development time much more wisely and strategically than the corrupt and inept NATO leadership. The weapons that each of the opposed sides have chosen to develop also speaks volumes about the "intent" of each side.
     Russia's weapon development and procurement has been on air defence and stand-off missile capability development which demonstrates an intent to defend.
     NATO weapon development and procurement has centred on aircraft carriers, the flying turkey f35 and weapons which seem to demonstrate an intent to attack and dominate the entire globe rather than defending their bit of it.
    Anyone being objective and honest can see this.
    What would happen if US or Poland or any other NATO member claimed an attack and attempted to invoke Art. 5 (something Poland have already done after the alleged Russian missile hit Poland)? NATO leaders well understand that western missile technology and air defence is years behind Russia. They would do nothing. They would be as powerless as the US were when Iran attacked their bases in Iraq after General Soleimani's assassination. If they were powerless to retaliate against non nuclear armed regional power, Iran- then who in their right mind believes that they could realistically retaliate against nuclear armed, military superpower Russia in their own back garden. Russia have stand off missile capabilities way in excess of NATO capabilities, and ability to intercept, that means they can retaliate against anyone-from Russia. NATO have been in a series of forced checks for a number of years. Checkmate is inevitable. It is what you are witnessing now, hence the hysterical propaganda and censorship. There is an obvious reason why NATO will not openly intervene. The unity would be immediately exposed as a sham and they would be defeated militarily-embarrassingly and massively. The bully beaten would not be able to threaten anyone anymore.
    NATO are toothless and falling apart. Turkey (2nd largest army in NATO as well as hosts of the strategically important Incirlik base) will soon leave. They have applied and been accepted provisionally to the SCO (Shanghai Cooperation Organisation) which prohibits membership of alliances such as NATO. What armies and power can the rest of the motley rabble of NATO offer. Article 5 is meaningless in reality and NATO unity a myth. Most members are just vassals of the US and have little to nothing to offer militarily. There is already much dispute within NATO. Turkiye's rapprochement with Assad's Syria and Russia. Greece and Turkiye, both NATO members, making threats towards each other. Those who regard NATO as some unified, speak with one voice bloc are deluded. It is anything but and will be lucky to see out 2023 intact.
    Turkiye's moves severely hinder US presence in Syria and the wider Middle East. Again, I have stated previously that US occupation in Syria will end with their being ousted. Russia, China as well as Iran and the wider "Axis of Resistance" have been planning and collaborating, cooperating on a long strategic initiative for many years. Slow boiling the frog.
    We are in the end game now-NATO is in check, again-it's a zugzwang-checkmate is coming.
   

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #2212 on: January 16, 2023, 04:08:AM »
    NATO leaders well understand that western missile technology and air defence is years behind Russia.
   

Which is why Russian air defences fail to intercept American HIMARS as they strike Russian military bases all across the Donbas, Crimea and even the Engels-2 air base in Russia. While the US and the UK is building a next generation laser based air defence system while Russia has no such thing in the pipeline.  :))

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/11/10/british-missile-killing-laser-successfully-tested/


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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #2213 on: January 16, 2023, 07:20:AM »
Talking of Air-Defence. This Russian pilot  :o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBunRgIBH2I

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #2214 on: January 17, 2023, 07:07:AM »
Which is why Russian air defences fail to intercept American HIMARS as they strike Russian military bases all across the Donbas, Crimea and even the Engels-2 air base in Russia. While the US and the UK is building a next generation laser based air defence system while Russia has no such thing in the pipeline.  :))

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/11/10/british-missile-killing-laser-successfully-tested/

So is this technology being used now?
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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #2215 on: January 17, 2023, 03:44:PM »
So is this technology being used now?

The only known ship that has one at present is the USS Portland. I am guessing they will be gradually phased in when ships get upgraded.

https://www.defensenews.com/industry/techwatch/2022/04/04/laser-weapons-development-should-involve-multiple-suppliers-says-northrop/

Things can move very quickly when there is some kind of arms race going on.
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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #2216 on: January 17, 2023, 03:49:PM »
David, have you got a finger on the pulse stateside regarding the average US citizen's opinion on the war?

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #2217 on: January 17, 2023, 04:05:PM »
David, have you got a finger on the pulse stateside regarding the average US citizen's opinion on the war?

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« Reply #2218 on: January 17, 2023, 06:49:PM »
    No amount of NATO weaponry will change the inevitable outcome in Ukraine. Outside of the western controlled and censored media, everyone who is taken seriously understands this. Ukrainian losses are horrendous and far exceed those of Russia and the Donbass, Luhansk militias. The current rate of attrition is horrendous and is somewhere around 8/10 to 1 according to Col. McGregor, Scott Ritter and most observers of this conflict. 
    Zelensky self evidently has no agency. He is a puppet of the NATO countries currently funding his senseless slaughter of Ukrainians. NATO have been in this war from the start and have been preparing for longer. They still face certain defeat and the break up of NATO after this ill advised step too far.
    What happened to all of the other NATO wunderwaffen game changing weapons? What do you suggest that NATO should send next? Jets? Tanks? Air Defence systems? How long does it take to train crews for these new weapons? Would NATO crews man the tanks and AD systems and openly enter the conflict? Should they send jets-Who would crew them? Would NATO dare expose their flying turkeys to Russian AD? Of course they wouldn't. They would be fighting a real army now, not some kalashnikov wielding goat herders.
    Russia have been preparing to fight NATO for decades. They understand that NATO is nothing more than the military muscle behind the bankers and financiers who control western "democracies". The bankers covet the control of Russia's unparalleled resources of oil, gas, gold, mineral wealth, vast agricultural resources etc. and a confrontation was inevitable. Russia have the backing of the rest of the globe. They are just the front man for the military dismantling of Western Empire. China, India, Iran, the Saudis along with others are busy working on the economic war, along with Russia, against the dollar. This is also going badly for Empire. The dollar is being sidelined in huge long term strategic deals between China,Iran, Saudis etc.
     As I have said previously, on this thread, years ago. NATO are armed for last centuries wars against weak and powerless countries hence aircraft carriers, hundreds of jets. None of those would last 5 minutes against Russia, China or even Iran. They have spent their money and research and development time much more wisely and strategically than the corrupt and inept NATO leadership. The weapons that each of the opposed sides have chosen to develop also speaks volumes about the "intent" of each side.
     Russia's weapon development and procurement has been on air defence and stand-off missile capability development which demonstrates an intent to defend.
     NATO weapon development and procurement has centred on aircraft carriers, the flying turkey f35 and weapons which seem to demonstrate an intent to attack and dominate the entire globe rather than defending their bit of it.
    Anyone being objective and honest can see this.
    What would happen if US or Poland or any other NATO member claimed an attack and attempted to invoke Art. 5 (something Poland have already done after the alleged Russian missile hit Poland)? NATO leaders well understand that western missile technology and air defence is years behind Russia. They would do nothing. They would be as powerless as the US were when Iran attacked their bases in Iraq after General Soleimani's assassination. If they were powerless to retaliate against non nuclear armed regional power, Iran- then who in their right mind believes that they could realistically retaliate against nuclear armed, military superpower Russia in their own back garden. Russia have stand off missile capabilities way in excess of NATO capabilities, and ability to intercept, that means they can retaliate against anyone-from Russia. NATO have been in a series of forced checks for a number of years. Checkmate is inevitable. It is what you are witnessing now, hence the hysterical propaganda and censorship. There is an obvious reason why NATO will not openly intervene. The unity would be immediately exposed as a sham and they would be defeated militarily-embarrassingly and massively. The bully beaten would not be able to threaten anyone anymore.
    NATO are toothless and falling apart. Turkey (2nd largest army in NATO as well as hosts of the strategically important Incirlik base) will soon leave. They have applied and been accepted provisionally to the SCO (Shanghai Cooperation Organisation) which prohibits membership of alliances such as NATO. What armies and power can the rest of the motley rabble of NATO offer. Article 5 is meaningless in reality and NATO unity a myth. Most members are just vassals of the US and have little to nothing to offer militarily. There is already much dispute within NATO. Turkiye's rapprochement with Assad's Syria and Russia. Greece and Turkiye, both NATO members, making threats towards each other. Those who regard NATO as some unified, speak with one voice bloc are deluded. It is anything but and will be lucky to see out 2023 intact.
    Turkiye's moves severely hinder US presence in Syria and the wider Middle East. Again, I have stated previously that US occupation in Syria will end with their being ousted. Russia, China as well as Iran and the wider "Axis of Resistance" have been planning and collaborating, cooperating on a long strategic initiative for many years. Slow boiling the frog.
    We are in the end game now-NATO is in check, again-it's a zugzwang-checkmate is coming.
   
Some home truths and some propaganda. Which currency will replace the US dollar? The West are capitalist countries: get over it. Will Turkiye leave NATO? I doubt it. https://www.aei.org/op-eds/the-real-reason-turkey-will-never-voluntarily-leave-nato/

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #2219 on: January 18, 2023, 12:29:AM »
So is this technology being used now?
    If the technology is ever put into use-then with near certainty it will be Russia who achieves it, Handyman. US military industrial complex is full of graft and corruption. Lots of money spent, magnitudes greater than the Russians, but less to show for it than Russia. Lots of rich shareholders though(and dead citizens in the countries that were the unfortunate recipients of US/NATO "interventions"), which is the name of the game in freedom and democracy loving USA. Profits, the bottom line. I know that you know this but David can't face realities like this so ignores all questions like yours.
      Of course the US doesn't have this technology in use. Nor will it have any time soon. Plenty of people getting rich off the public teat to dish out hopium and copium about their future wonder weapons to gullible, unquestioning and indoctrinated drones, though.