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Offline lookout

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #2055 on: September 21, 2022, 08:00:PM »
"Russian President Vladimir Putin has announced that 300,000 reservists will be drafted into the army in a partial mobilisation, as he warned West he was not "bluffing" over nuclear weapons."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/09/21/ukraine-news-russia-war-putin-counter-offensive-mobilisation/






It'll look like Dad's Army using reservists. Many are old and past it.

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« Reply #2056 on: September 21, 2022, 09:34:PM »





It'll look like Dad's Army using reservists. Many are old and past it.

It might help if we were allowed Russian translators on our TV. Unfortunately, we are treated like idiots.  Mind you, taken at face value, it does look like Russia is on the back foot. I think it's pay back for their intervention in Syria, which made US/UK look stupid.
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« Reply #2057 on: September 22, 2022, 02:50:PM »
Russians flee to border after military call-up

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62996212

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« Reply #2058 on: September 22, 2022, 04:53:PM »
Russians flee to border after military call-up

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62996212

They probably don't want to fight a highly motivated Ukrainian army that no doubt has embedded NATO specialists and a tonne of western arms, plus all the satellite intelligence and decryption capabilities that's on offer.

Russia have seriously contributed to the making of their own trap. I can't see them getting anything out of this that's worth the price they've paid in destroyed manpower, equipment and economic costs. Then there's the huge questions now around their credibility and effectiveness as a cohesive fighting force. Then there's war crimes accusations. Can't see it ending well for Putin or Russia - but I think a cornered animal is highly dangerous. And let's face it, they will definitely have some wunderwaffen stored away somewhere.

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« Reply #2059 on: September 22, 2022, 09:01:PM »
Jordan Peterson on Putin..

https://youtu.be/BnxxELn00gk

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« Reply #2060 on: September 22, 2022, 09:40:PM »
It might help if we were allowed Russian translators on our TV. Unfortunately, we are treated like idiots.  Mind you, taken at face value, it does look like Russia is on the back foot. I think it's pay back for their intervention in Syria, which made US/UK look stupid.
    https://thesaker.is/address-by-the-president-of-the-russian-federation/

   Putin's full address, with subtitles, here.
   NATO is in its death throes. The growth of the SCO (Shanghai Co-operation Org.) BRICS+, OBOR(one belt one road) and many other collaborations in the Global South and East, eg. the Chinese developments and investments in Africa offer a win win deal rather than Western imperialism and looting backed by NATO threats. They are winning and will win. It is not Russia against Ukraine, But NATO against Russia and the rest of the world.
    The exploitative Western system is dead. 80%+ of the world ignoring illegal Western sanctions and trading with Russia.

     Shoigu's speech(also subtitled), following Putin below;

https://thesaker.is/sergei-shoigu-full-speech-in-english-on-september-21-2022/

     Plenty more on there to chew on if you want honest and relevant commentary on world events. The ones that aren't discussed or even referred to if you watch any mainstream media in this country, or the west in general.

    Putin's words can be heard in context. See if you can tell the difference between that and the hysterical "reporting" from our "News outlets".
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« Reply #2061 on: September 23, 2022, 12:42:PM »
    https://thesaker.is/address-by-the-president-of-the-russian-federation/

   Putin's full address, with subtitles, here.
   NATO is in its death throes. The growth of the SCO (Shanghai Co-operation Org.) BRICS+, OBOR(one belt one road) and many other collaborations in the Global South and East, eg. the Chinese developments and investments in Africa offer a win win deal rather than Western imperialism and looting backed by NATO threats. They are winning and will win. It is not Russia against Ukraine, But NATO against Russia and the rest of the world.
    The exploitative Western system is dead. 80%+ of the world ignoring illegal Western sanctions and trading with Russia.

     Shoigu's speech(also subtitled), following Putin below;

https://thesaker.is/sergei-shoigu-full-speech-in-english-on-september-21-2022/

     Plenty more on there to chew on if you want honest and relevant commentary on world events. The ones that aren't discussed or even referred to if you watch any mainstream media in this country, or the west in general.

    Putin's words can be heard in context. See if you can tell the difference between that and the hysterical "reporting" from our "News outlets".

Thanks for the links 👍

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« Reply #2062 on: September 23, 2022, 09:18:PM »
"After Vladimir Putin announced a mobilization of reservists for Russia’s war in Ukraine, prices for international flights departing Russia this week skyrocketed and nearly every flight leaving Moscow or St. Petersburg sold out through the weekend"

https://www.flightradar24.com/blog/where-are-flights-leaving-russia-going/

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« Reply #2063 on: September 24, 2022, 01:51:PM »
    https://thesaker.is/address-by-the-president-of-the-russian-federation/

   Putin's full address, with subtitles, here.
   NATO is in its death throes. The growth of the SCO (Shanghai Co-operation Org.) BRICS+, OBOR(one belt one road) and many other collaborations in the Global South and East, eg. the Chinese developments and investments in Africa offer a win win deal rather than Western imperialism and looting backed by NATO threats. They are winning and will win. It is not Russia against Ukraine, But NATO against Russia and the rest of the world.
    The exploitative Western system is dead. 80%+ of the world ignoring illegal Western sanctions and trading with Russia.

     Shoigu's speech(also subtitled), following Putin below;

https://thesaker.is/sergei-shoigu-full-speech-in-english-on-september-21-2022/

     Plenty more on there to chew on if you want honest and relevant commentary on world events. The ones that aren't discussed or even referred to if you watch any mainstream media in this country, or the west in general.

    Putin's words can be heard in context. See if you can tell the difference between that and the hysterical "reporting" from our "News outlets".
There is an alternative point of view. https://youtu.be/JkWtSeN_Zuo

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« Reply #2064 on: September 24, 2022, 05:17:PM »
There is an alternative point of view. https://youtu.be/JkWtSeN_Zuo
    The rush for the border to escape mobilisation is just more idiotic propaganda. The videos that I linked to weren't a point of view. They were simply the unedited speeches of Putin and Shoigu, from which you can form your own view.
    The video that you linked to is just someone bullshitting. AP themselves have even debunked the Finland/Russia border lies. They are countless videos of Russians en masse going to the recruiting stations to volunteer. The Chechnians were mobilising in their thousands. Believe the hopium and copium if you like but the reality is that the Russians are way more united and behind their president and armed forces than any NATO country.
     The videos of Putin and Shoigu's speeches was a reply to Roch who had mentioned that the "lack of Russian translator on our TV" was not helpful. It was simply translated speeches, in full and in context. Your alternative link was exactly what Roch was taking issue with.
      The narrative that Russians are fleeing, that you have been fed by your narrative managers, is demonstrably false. Many more are flocking to the recruiting centres to volunteer than are fleeing, by several magnitudes.
      You would do better to view the speeches and discuss them rather than the ramblings of "Joe Blogs" the you-tuber.

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« Reply #2065 on: September 24, 2022, 05:28:PM »
Thanks for the links 👍
    Do you think that the lack of Russian translators is a feature or a bug? 
     The banning of Russian media, however many months ago, was a notice of intent that lies were now to be the order of the day.
     Truth-tellers aren't afraid of lies.
     Liars are afraid of the truth.
     The banning of "Russian misinformation and lies" in our Orwellian western dystopian world, means the banning of "Russian information and truth".
      "War is peace, slavery is freedom and ignorance is strength."
 

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« Reply #2066 on: September 24, 2022, 05:41:PM »
    The rush for the border to escape mobilisation is just more idiotic propaganda. The videos that I linked to weren't a point of view. They were simply the unedited speeches of Putin and Shoigu, from which you can form your own view.
    The video that you linked to is just someone bullshitting. AP themselves have even debunked the Finland/Russia border lies. They are countless videos of Russians en masse going to the recruiting stations to volunteer. The Chechnians were mobilising in their thousands. Believe the hopium and copium if you like but the reality is that the Russians are way more united and behind their president and armed forces than any NATO country.
     The videos of Putin and Shoigu's speeches was a reply to Roch who had mentioned that the "lack of Russian translator on our TV" was not helpful. It was simply translated speeches, in full and in context. Your alternative link was exactly what Roch was taking issue with.
      The narrative that Russians are fleeing, that you have been fed by your narrative managers, is demonstrably false. Many more are flocking to the recruiting centres to volunteer than are fleeing, by several magnitudes.
      You would do better to view the speeches and discuss them rather than the ramblings of "Joe Blogs" the you-tuber.
It's easy to mouth off when you control the mass media in a one-party state.

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« Reply #2067 on: September 24, 2022, 06:03:PM »
It's easy to mouth off when you control the mass media in a one-party state.
    David, and maybe even yourself have often posted articles from Russian publications such as Moscow Times which are always critical of the government and Putin. They are all shadily funded western propaganda fronts and basically western propaganda but give the lie to the bullshit that you believe.
    Russia is not a one party state by any interpretation. You are a lost cause.

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« Reply #2068 on: September 24, 2022, 06:27:PM »
    David, and maybe even yourself have often posted articles from Russian publications such as Moscow Times which are always critical of the government and Putin. They are all shadily funded western propaganda fronts and basically western propaganda but give the lie to the bullshit that you believe.
    Russia is not a one party state by any interpretation. You are a lost cause.
It is so. They've fiddled the elections and who gets the Presidency for donkey's years now.

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #2069 on: September 24, 2022, 06:41:PM »