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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #1650 on: April 28, 2022, 06:55:PM »
I think it's all lies David, as one miraculously came back to life not long ago after it was reported that he'd been killed.

We, or rather the Ukranians have to see what Putin has up his sleeve for the 9th of May yet. That date and month commemorates the victory of the Russian army in WWII.
Mariupol is all but finished / wiped out, will it be Donbas by the 9th ?

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #1651 on: April 28, 2022, 09:58:PM »
looks like russia is winning https://youtu.be/vxXtrjB1xSo

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #1655 on: May 02, 2022, 01:00:AM »
Lasted 2 days. lol




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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #1656 on: May 02, 2022, 08:40:AM »
I'd been wondering about those poor people who'd been trapped beneath the steelworks all this time and saw on the news that they'd finally got out. What an inhuman existance they've suffered, over 2 months of darkness, fear and trauma yet still remain with a positive outcome for their futures. All heroes !

I can't help but feel a sense of shame at our country and its leaders against the heroism of the Ukranian people !

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #1658 on: May 02, 2022, 04:40:PM »
"Russian president Vladimir Putin wants you to believe that NATO is responsible for his February 24 invasion of Ukraine—that rounds of NATO enlargement made Russia insecure, forcing Putin to lash out. This argument has two key flaws. First, NATO has been a variable and not a constant source of tension between Russia and the West. Moscow has in the past acknowledged Ukraine's right to join NATO; the Kremlin's complaints about the alliance spike in a clear pattern after democratic breakthroughs in the post-Soviet space. This highlights a second flaw: Since Putin fears democracy and the threat that it poses to his regime, and not expanded NATO membership, taking the latter off the table will not quell his insecurity. His declared goal of the invasion, the "denazification" of Ukraine, is a code for his real aim: antidemocratic regime change."

https://muse.jhu.edu/article/852742

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #1659 on: May 02, 2022, 11:26:PM »
I'd been wondering about those poor people who'd been trapped beneath the steelworks all this time and saw on the news that they'd finally got out. What an inhuman existance they've suffered, over 2 months of darkness, fear and trauma yet still remain with a positive outcome for their futures. All heroes !

I can't help but feel a sense of shame at our country and its leaders against the heroism of the Ukranian people !
   Those poor people are being held hostage as human shields by the Azov, Lookout. There have been numerous ceasefires and humanitarian corridors set up for the civilians, which have not been used. We should wonder whether they chose to stay in bunkers with admitted and proud Nazis of the Azov battalion whilst under siege, or if they were forced to stay as human shields to protect the aforementioned Nazis? We should not wonder for too long though. The answer is obvious when given even a few seconds consideration. Now that some have been released there is an abundance of testimony to this fact, such as;
    https://twitter.com/supertima_/status/1521116992278863873
     
     There is no question of coercion on Russia's part with both Red Cross and UN present. Also why are not all civilians freed at the same time. Feels more like a hostage situation.
     It has long been apparent that the Azovstal plant has become disproportionately important to NATO countries. Numerous desperate attempts have been made to extract something or some people from there. Since then we have had interventions from the UN Sec. Gen. (Guterres), the Pope? and blanket coverage of the civilians in Azovstal and Russia brutal bombing, poor civilians, from media and politicians. None bothering to ask the obvious questions.
     No-one in the media coming to the obvious conclusion that these civilians were self evidently hostages of the Azov Nazis, who we are now to believe are cuddly freedom fighters. Much like our embrace and arming of Al Qaeda, Al Nusra et al. in Syria.
     The civilians were shields and are now probably being used as leverage in the final attempt by NATO and their Nazi henchmen to prevent Russia getting their hands on whatever it is that they are desperate to keep Russian hands off.
      It will likely prove NATO involvement. Which would mean that Russia were being truthful claiming that Ukraine were planning to invade the breakaway republics as well as Crimea. Which in turn makes it legal under the R2P doctrine, which is Russia's claim. R2P is something which NATO have abused numerous times (Yugoslavia, Libya). It also, very much, changes the Rules of Engagement.
     
     
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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #1660 on: May 03, 2022, 10:53:AM »
How complicated, Gringo. At the very beginning of the conflict I inwardly sensed a " far-right " movement when people were being evacuated from buildings.

Interestingly, if you read the 14 points of fascism, our government is quite close  :)

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #1661 on: May 03, 2022, 12:47:PM »
How complicated, Gringo. At the very beginning of the conflict I inwardly sensed a " far-right " movement when people were being evacuated from buildings.

Interestingly, if you read the 14 points of fascism, our government is quite close  :)
 
     Took your advice and read the 14 points, Lookout. There isn't a cigarette paper between the 14 points and UK govt.

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« Reply #1662 on: May 03, 2022, 07:01:PM »
I would class him as being more of a world statesman than Liz Truss; Gavin Williamson; Dominic Raab etc. However, where he has been found wanting and is therefore deserving of criticism, then he should be subject to such criticism.

Apart from denying Russia invaded Ukraine. Lavrov is now claiming Hitler was part Jewish 🤡

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-61296682

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« Reply #1663 on: May 03, 2022, 07:36:PM »
   Those poor people are being held hostage as human shields by the Azov, Lookout. There have been numerous ceasefires and humanitarian corridors set up for the civilians, which have not been used. We should wonder whether they chose to stay in bunkers with admitted and proud Nazis of the Azov battalion whilst under siege, or if they were forced to stay as human shields to protect the aforementioned Nazis? We should not wonder for too long though. The answer is obvious when given even a few seconds consideration. Now that some have been released there is an abundance of testimony to this fact, such as;
    https://twitter.com/supertima_/status/1521116992278863873
     
     There is no question of coercion on Russia's part with both Red Cross and UN present. Also why are not all civilians freed at the same time. Feels more like a hostage situation.
     It has long been apparent that the Azovstal plant has become disproportionately important to NATO countries. Numerous desperate attempts have been made to extract something or some people from there. Since then we have had interventions from the UN Sec. Gen. (Guterres), the Pope? and blanket coverage of the civilians in Azovstal and Russia brutal bombing, poor civilians, from media and politicians. None bothering to ask the obvious questions.
     No-one in the media coming to the obvious conclusion that these civilians were self evidently hostages of the Azov Nazis, who we are now to believe are cuddly freedom fighters. Much like our embrace and arming of Al Qaeda, Al Nusra et al. in Syria.
     The civilians were shields and are now probably being used as leverage in the final attempt by NATO and their Nazi henchmen to prevent Russia getting their hands on whatever it is that they are desperate to keep Russian hands off.
      It will likely prove NATO involvement. Which would mean that Russia were being truthful claiming that Ukraine were planning to invade the breakaway republics as well as Crimea. Which in turn makes it legal under the R2P doctrine, which is Russia's claim. R2P is something which NATO have abused numerous times (Yugoslavia, Libya). It also, very much, changes the Rules of Engagement.
     
   
There's no clear evidence that peaceful ethnic Russians were being massacred in Ukraine, neither that a majority of Russian speakers in Donestsk and Luhansk wish to join Russia. The R2P (Responsibilty to Protect) provision under UN Security Council Resolution 1973 is being blatantly abused.

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #1664 on: May 03, 2022, 08:19:PM »
There's no clear evidence that peaceful ethnic Russians were being massacred in Ukraine, neither that a majority of Russian speakers in Donestsk and Luhansk wish to join Russia. The R2P (Responsibilty to Protect) provision under UN Security Council Resolution 1973 is being blatantly abused.
    There is an abundance of evidence of ethnic Russians being massacred in Donetsk and Luhansk, Steve. 14,000+ civilian deaths from shelling, all documented and evidence collected for the 8 years prior to the Russian action. If you had been paying attention all along, you would know this. It didn't start in February.
     R2P has clearly been abused to regime change "unfriendly governments" by NATO. No fly zones abused for political purposes. The shelling and war on Ukrainians in Donetsk by their own army has been documented over the last 8 years and is an undeniable fact. It has been reported on throughout this time in western media. It is also becoming clearer by the day that the Russian move merely pre-empted the planned Ukraine/NATO action.
    Russia certainly have a stronger case for R2P in Donetsk than NATO had in Yugoslavia, Libya, Syria and anywhere else that they have abused it.