Russia - worrying?

[David1819]

Wladimir Klitschko speaks to GB News

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DWz68y8btY

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https://socialistworker.co.uk/news/cover-up-as-british-army-fuels-war-drive-in-ukraine/

   That article is pretty stunning really, Roch, in what is revealed. There are a number of reasonable inferences that can be made and it is made worse by the statement from Brigadier Dodds.

    Brigadier Geoffrey Dodds, Secretary of the DSMA, said, “Should any editor currently be considering ­publishing or broadcasting information on these operations, may I ask you to seek my advice beforehand?” What did they want to hide? The D Notice said it didn’t want any details published of “Special Forces and other Ministry of Defence units engaged in security, intelligence and counter-terrorism operations, including their methods, ­techniques and activities.  Such disclosure could reveal details of operations or operating methods and techniques before, during and after their execution which would bestow an advantage on an adversary.”

      First of all, he appears to be admitting that the British Army are engaged in "operations" against an "adversary" in Ukraine. Who might this adversary be? Can only be Russia, but we are not at war with Russia. Were we so, then...?
    This is inviting retaliation from Russia. Waging undeclared war is no different from declared war in the responses it legitimately allows.

In reality the notice isn’t about protecting “British lives” it’s about controlling what the press writes about the war. The Times report said, “Former British soldiers, marines and special forces commandos are also in Ukraine working as training contractors and volunteers, but the Ukrainian officers were adamant that their training this month was carried out by serving British soldiers.

    When you think it can get no worse. "Ukrainian officers were adamant that their training this month was carried out by serving British soldiers". Serving British soldiers!
     Do the UK MOD deny it? No they stick a "D notice" on it.
     It goes from bad to worse to even worse after that and leaves little doubt that UK is in an undeclared war, and has been for some time, with Russia.
     The "D notices" speak volumes.
     The government waged war first, then via "D notices" are controlling what can be reported. They have banned/censored opposing media. They are "manufacturing consent" for their already undeclared war on Russia and now need the consent. Propaganda, censorship and lies are their only mechanisms.
     Any response from Russia would be legal and the UK govt. and their obedient press are using the British public and soldiers as pawns in their blind hatred of Russia.

[David1819]

April 19 Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment (ISW)

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-april-19

[David1819]

Can Ukraine’s Military Hold Off Russia’s Offensive In The Donbas Region?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lp8wliDB55Q

[David1819]

Destroyed Russian tanks in recaptured Bucha, Ukraine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dkwTIRaQ2g

[David1819]

Putin’s Russia: A Moderate Fascist State by Vladislav Inozemtsev

https://archive.transatlanticrelations.org/publication/putins-russia-moderate-fascist-state-vladislav-inozemtsev/

[Roch]

   That article is pretty stunning really, Roch, in what is revealed. There are a number of reasonable inferences that can be made and it is made worse by the statement from Brigadier Dodds.

    Brigadier Geoffrey Dodds, Secretary of the DSMA, said, “Should any editor currently be considering ­publishing or broadcasting information on these operations, may I ask you to seek my advice beforehand?” What did they want to hide? The D Notice said it didn’t want any details published of “Special Forces and other Ministry of Defence units engaged in security, intelligence and counter-terrorism operations, including their methods, ­techniques and activities.  Such disclosure could reveal details of operations or operating methods and techniques before, during and after their execution which would bestow an advantage on an adversary.”

      First of all, he appears to be admitting that the British Army are engaged in "operations" against an "adversary" in Ukraine. Who might this adversary be? Can only be Russia, but we are not at war with Russia. Were we so, then...?
    This is inviting retaliation from Russia. Waging undeclared war is no different from declared war in the responses it legitimately allows.

In reality the notice isn’t about protecting “British lives” it’s about controlling what the press writes about the war. The Times report said, “Former British soldiers, marines and special forces commandos are also in Ukraine working as training contractors and volunteers, but the Ukrainian officers were adamant that their training this month was carried out by serving British soldiers.

    When you think it can get no worse. "Ukrainian officers were adamant that their training this month was carried out by serving British soldiers". Serving British soldiers!
     Do the UK MOD deny it? No they stick a "D notice" on it.
     It goes from bad to worse to even worse after that and leaves little doubt that UK is in an undeclared war, and has been for some time, with Russia.
     The "D notices" speak volumes.
     The government waged war first, then via "D notices" are controlling what can be reported. They have banned/censored opposing media. They are "manufacturing consent" for their already undeclared war on Russia and now need the consent. Propaganda, censorship and lies are their only mechanisms.
     Any response from Russia would be legal and the UK govt. and their obedient press are using the British public and soldiers as pawns in their blind hatred of Russia.

Yes, the D Notice is particularly interesting. I agree regarding censorship on our part.

[David1819]

Yes, the D Notice is particularly interesting. I agree regarding censorship on our part.

How is it being censored when the article has been published in the first place? 

[Roch]

How is it being censored when the article has been published in the first place? 

I would have to see the Times article to give an opinion. If we take your view though, why waste time and energy with D Notices?

A wider issue and question is, just how compliment is our press, with regards to D Notices? A high level of compliance could imply a controlled press (as I have previously suggested). The problem is David, if you have a mechanism for censorship that can be applied when there is a genuine need for censorship, those who control that mechanism will quickly realise that the mechanism can be abused. This is what I believe has happened to our press / media. They are probably overly compliant.

[David1819]

I would have to see the Times article to give an opinion. If we take your view though, why waste time and energy with D Notices?

A wider issue and question is, just how compliment is our press, with regards to D Notices? A high level of compliance could imply a controlled press (as I have previously suggested). The problem is David, if you have a mechanism for censorship that can be applied when there is a genuine need for censorship, those who control that mechanism will quickly realise that the mechanism can be abused. This is what I believe has happened to our press / media. They are probably overly compliant.

That site is a joke. Big censorship coverup! read all about it in this uncensored article. They wont let us publish this but here were are publishing it! 

[David1819]

Roch if you are into conspiracies you might like this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sx2YmSXDy8

Just for the record, I am not convinced Putin done this.

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Yes, the D Notice is particularly interesting. I agree regarding censorship on our part.

   I remember at the time of the Skripal fantasy, Lavrov commenting about the UK govt. quoted from Alice's Adventures in Wonderland,
     "Verdict first, evidence later"

     How apt. Lavrov knows his history and understands the ways of the "Perfidious Albion".
     There were also "D notices" in place forbidding mention of certain persons in the Skripal farce, that we know of for certain, and in light of this it begs the question of just how many "D notices" have been issued in the last few years. It is also a curious coincidence that whenever there are allegations against the Russian state, UK intel and "D notices" seem to pop up. It has been going on for some time, the provocations against Russia.
     This new stage goes beyond provocations. UK/US and NATO are insanely criminally irresponsible now using their populations as pawns in their desperation to subdue Russia.

     This time it appears that the UK govt. have waged an undeclared war and via "D notices", censorship and outright lies are seeking a casus belli.

     This is extremely serious and by the actions of the UK state it is clear, at this point, that decisions of such magnitude are taken to serve someone other than the UK public. A functioning democracy with a free press would rid themselves of such vile warmongers. Alleged "Russian aggression" is going to be reported regardless of there actually being any.
      Verdict first, evidence later evolves into
      War first, casus belli later.

     

 
     

[David1819]

   I remember at the time of the Skripal fantasy, Lavrov commenting about the UK govt. quoted from Alice's Adventures in Wonderland,
     "Verdict first, evidence later"

     How apt. Lavrov knows his history and understands the ways of the "Perfidious Albion".
     There were also "D notices" in place forbidding mention of certain persons in the Skripal farce, that we know of for certain, and in light of this it begs the question of just how many "D notices" have been issued in the last few years. It is also a curious coincidence that whenever there are allegations against the Russian state, UK intel and "D notices" seem to pop up. It has been going on for some time, the provocations against Russia.
     This new stage goes beyond provocations. UK/US and NATO are insanely criminally irresponsible now using their populations as pawns in their desperation to subdue Russia.

     This time it appears that the UK govt. have waged an undeclared war and via "D notices", censorship and outright lies are seeking a casus belli.

     This is extremely serious and by the actions of the UK state it is clear, at this point, that decisions of such magnitude are taken to serve someone other than the UK public. A functioning democracy with a free press would rid themselves of such vile warmongers. Alleged "Russian aggression" is going to be reported regardless of there actually being any.
      Verdict first, evidence later evolves into
      War first, casus belli later.

 

 
     

Ah yes, the poisoning of Sergei Skripal. How fortunate it was for the UK government conspirators that two GRU agents took a random holiday to see Salisbury Cathedral that day along with a pre-booked return flight to Russia leaving just hours after after our government tried to frame them! 

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How is it being censored when the article has been published in the first place? 

   You never disappoint in your unerring ability to spectacularly miss the point and then misrepresent what is being discussed. Banning of media, social media and MSM banning prominent commentators/journalists who question official western narratives is the censorship.
    The subject matter of what had a "D notice" put on it is what is important. That it was breached "this time" does not make everything ok.
    Waging undeclared war on Russia putting in danger the UK public does not become okay because the secret's out. It makes it worse. 
    Are you of the opinion that this is all okay because it has been reported, although not widely?
    What real point, if any, do you have to add? this one's rhetorical.
     
     

[nugnug]

https://youtu.be/8dUrDSELzjY