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Offline David1819

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #1545 on: April 13, 2022, 11:58:AM »
   He really ought to get on Twitter. Liz Truss has an account and is interested in working with her Nazi partners as she tweeted yesterday.

He is on Twitter.

https://twitter.com/ZelenskyyUa

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« Reply #1546 on: April 13, 2022, 12:00:PM »
So Ukrainians keeping a guy alive in handcuffs and taking a photo of him is bad. Russians tying people up and shooting them before burying them mass graves is ok. Gringo logic 101
   Somewhat twisted interpretation.
     Your post is pathetic. The president of a country has kidnapped opposition politicians and is now using them publicly, parading them handcuffed and clearly beaten up in order to offer them as ransom for Nazis.
You call this "Ukrainians keeping a guy alive in handcuffs and taking a photo of him"
     If Putin did this, I am certain that you would not whitewash it with such pathetic drivel.
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« Reply #1547 on: April 13, 2022, 12:03:PM »
He is on Twitter.

https://twitter.com/ZelenskyyUa
  I know. It was just a sarky aside, Lookout, to demonstrate the idiocy of western leaders. More interested in social media than international diplomacy. They embarrass us.

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« Reply #1548 on: April 13, 2022, 12:06:PM »
   Somewhat twisted interpretation.
     Your post is a pathetic. The president of a country has kidnapped opposition politicians and is now using them publicly, parading them handcuffed and clearly beaten up in order to offer them as ransom for Nazis.
You call this "Ukrainians keeping a guy alive in handcuffs and taking a photo of him"
     If Putin did this, I am certain that you would not whitewash it with such pathetic drivel.

If Putin done that, it would be a move towards clemency on his part compared to the usual poison and bullets.

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« Reply #1549 on: April 13, 2022, 12:09:PM »
  I know. It was just a sarky aside, Lookout, to demonstrate the idiocy of western leaders. More interested in social media than international diplomacy. They embarrass us.

https://www.instagram.com/leadervladimirputin/?hl=en

https://twitter.com/kremlinrussia_e

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« Reply #1550 on: April 13, 2022, 12:20:PM »
  I know. It was just a sarky aside, Lookout, to demonstrate the idiocy of western leaders. More interested in social media than international diplomacy. They embarrass us.
   Even more embarrassingly they use social media to display their idiocy and criminality.
    Liz Truss claiming to be working closely with "our partners" to verify details of alleged chemical weapons. The only reports of this were from Nazis holed up in Azovstal. By reasonable inference the UK is "partners" with the Azov Nazis.
    Zelensky parading arrested and beaten up opposition politicians.
    They are desperate, losing badly and the only "victories" they can claim are in the information war but only in indoctrinated western populations. Endless censorship, propaganda and outright lies. Those who are kidnapping politicians to publicly parade and offer as ransom and those partnering with human shield using Nazis deserve no time or attention paid to their accusations. 

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« Reply #1551 on: April 13, 2022, 12:37:PM »
https://www.instagram.com/leadervladimirputin/?hl=en

https://twitter.com/kremlinrussia_e

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   I missed the kidnapped politicians and ransom demands on the Kremlin account, David.
     Given that you have already dismissed kidnapping and extortion carried out by parading your beaten and handcuffed victim on social media as, "Ukrainians keeping a guy alive in handcuffs and taking a photo of him", you should perhaps remain silent.
     Your silence would be a better response. Justifying and acting as an apologist for the admitted crimes above makes clear your attitude to war is shaped by playing war porn war games more than any serious analysis of history and geopolitics. 
     
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« Reply #1552 on: April 13, 2022, 12:38:PM »
   Even more embarrassingly they use social media to display their idiocy and criminality.
    Liz Truss claiming to be working closely with "our partners" to verify details of alleged chemical weapons. The only reports of this were from Nazis holed up in Azovstal. By reasonable inference the UK is "partners" with the Azov Nazis.
    Zelensky parading arrested and beaten up opposition politicians.
    They are desperate, losing badly and the only "victories" they can claim are in the information war but only in indoctrinated western populations. Endless censorship, propaganda and outright lies. Those who are kidnapping politicians to publicly parade and offer as ransom and those partnering with human shield using Nazis deserve no time or attention paid to their accusations.

The Russians have already lost the war. At best they will achieve a pyrrhic victory in the Dombas. A farcry from their initial hope of turning Ukraine into another Belarus.

They have turned the Ukrainian people against them indefinitely and prompted Sweden and Finland to start joining NATO.

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« Reply #1553 on: April 13, 2022, 12:51:PM »
The Russians have already lost the war. At best they will achieve a pyrrhic victory in the Dombas. A farcry from their initial hope of turning Ukraine into another Belarus.

They have turned the Ukrainian people against them indefinitely and prompted Sweden and Finland to start joining NATO.
  Russians have only "lost the war" according to hysterical western propaganda. According to "facts on the ground" your analysis? is the opposite of truth. I posted this earlier but in case you missed it, the latest sitrep from Nightvision on the Saker blog.

      https://thesaker.is/sitrep-operation-z-8/

    Read it. Detailed and more accurate appraisal of the situation.
    NATO/Ukraine lost this war in the first days and they are going to keep on losing. It also explains the tactics being used by the "winning side" now. Kidnapping, extortion, false flags and propaganda. Ukrainians en masse surrendering. Too much winning!
   

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« Reply #1554 on: April 13, 2022, 01:15:PM »
If Putin done that, it would be a move towards clemency on his part compared to the usual poison and bullets.
   Didn't know that Putin had been posting on social media about killing opponents with poison and bullets. There is a difference between accusations from hysterical propagandists and personally parading beaten opposition politicians, something that you seem unable/unwilling to grasp. You seem desperate to discuss anything but the current and undisputed kidnapping and ransom demands via social media by supposed "President Zelensky".
     Your responses are embarrassing.

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« Reply #1555 on: April 13, 2022, 01:20:PM »
     Desperate moves by desperate actors. The desperation to get something embarrassing out of Azovstal leading them to open and public gangsterism such as this should lead to even blinkered souls like David asking critical questions. That it doesn't speaks volumes.

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« Reply #1556 on: April 13, 2022, 01:27:PM »
It has been a terrible war for both Ukraine and Russia. Think of all the men, women, children, animals, soldiers, volunteers who were still alive, still uninjured, on the day before the invasion. All those lives wasted or maimed. The lives of their families blighted forever. All the millions of people strewn across Europe. All the houses and infrastructure destroyed.

Russia are going to have to pull something really impressive out of the hat, in order to justify the immediate human consequences of this invasion. It may never be possible to justify their tactics. They are talking about an end to US dominated geopolitics. I have very little trust in US UK etc. However, there is barely any support for Russia from the countries that surround it, which possibly tells its own story.

Even if Russia were to pull these impressive justifications and proofs from the hat, I get the impression that they will not be reported in the same vein over here. We live in a world where there the truth can simply be whichever narrative is being pushed, with the opposing narrative being relegated as fake in the process.
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« Reply #1557 on: April 13, 2022, 01:45:PM »
   I missed the kidnapped politicians and ransom demands on the Kremlin account, David.
     Given that you have already dismissed kidnapping and extortion carried out by parading your beaten and handcuffed victim on social media as, "Ukrainians keeping a guy alive in handcuffs and taking a photo of him", you should perhaps remain silent.
     Your silence would be a better response. Justifying and acting as an apologist for the admitted crimes above makes clear your attitude to war is shaped by playing war war porn more than any serious analysis of history and geopolitics. 
   

What on earth is "war porn"?  ???

You really are weird.

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« Reply #1558 on: April 13, 2022, 01:56:PM »
  Russians have only "lost the war" according to hysterical western propaganda. According to "facts on the ground" your analysis? is the opposite of truth. I posted this earlier but in case you missed it, the latest sitrep from Nightvision on the Saker blog.

      https://thesaker.is/sitrep-operation-z-8/

    Read it. Detailed and more accurate appraisal of the situation.
    NATO/Ukraine lost this war in the first days and they are going to keep on losing. It also explains the tactics being used by the "winning side" now. Kidnapping, extortion, false flags and propaganda. Ukrainians en masse surrendering. Too much winning!
   

The saker is not a primary source of information. Its an opinion blog run by a troll who lives in Florida who has probably never even set foot in Russia. And wouldn't last 2 minutes living there.

The following is a leaked communication from the FSB. That is what I am going on.

"Blitzkrieg failed. It is simply impossible to complete the task now: if Zelensky and the authorities were captured in the first 1-3 days, they seized all the key buildings in Kyiv, they gave them the order to surrender - yes, the resistance would subside to the minimum values. In theory. But what's next? Even with this ideal variant, there was an unsolvable problem: with whom to negotiate? If we demolish Zelensky, well, with whom should we sign agreements? If with Zelensky, then after we demolish it, these papers are worth nothing. Opposition Platform for Life refused to cooperate: Medvedchuk is a coward, he fled. There is a second leader there - Boyko, but he refuses to work with us - even his own people will not understand him. They wanted to return Tsarev, so even our pro-Russians turned against him. Return Yanukovych? But as? If we say that it is impossible to occupy, then any of our authorities will be killed there in 10 minutes, as we leave. Occupy? Where are we going to get so many people? Commandant's offices, military police, counterintelligence, security - even with minimal resistance from the locals, we need 500 thousand or more people. Not counting the supply system. And there is a rule that by covering the poor quality of management with quantity, you only spoil everything. And this, I repeat, would be with the ideal option, which does not exist."


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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #1559 on: April 13, 2022, 01:59:PM »
  I know. It was just a sarky aside, Lookout, to demonstrate the idiocy of western leaders. More interested in social media than international diplomacy. They embarrass us.






Gringo do you think any news should be blacked out ? Something as serious as is happening appears like a circus and gives way to fake news etc. Maybe just the odd Reuter report but nothing else.