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Offline Roch

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #1110 on: March 10, 2022, 07:32:AM »


Re Ned and his ilk? How can you believe a word they say? They have lied about virtually every war they have been involved in. Even if they are correct on this assertion regarding the bio-labs, it would be like believing the boy who cried wolf.

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #1111 on: March 10, 2022, 08:10:AM »
Re Ned and his ilk? How can you believe a word they say? They have lied about virtually every war they have been involved in. Even if they are correct on this assertion regarding the bio-labs, it would be like believing the boy who cried wolf.


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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #1112 on: March 10, 2022, 09:19:AM »
I don't even understand the meme. I am not a Communist btw.

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #1113 on: March 10, 2022, 09:41:AM »
I don't even understand the meme. I am not a Communist btw.

Then why do you read Socialist Worker and other far-left material?


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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #1115 on: March 10, 2022, 09:48:AM »
Then why do you read Socialist Worker and other far-left material?

I don't restrict myself regarding which media I check. I check Financial Times, Telegraph, Times, Independent, Guardian as well as other sites. Therefore I check Socialist Worker and Morning Star also. I think it's good to see different perspectives. Except that with the mainstream press listed above, on certain issues, perspectives just merge in to one.

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #1116 on: March 10, 2022, 09:54:AM »
Points in favour of Ukraine succeeding against the Russian forces are discussed here. It's an interesting read.

https://mobile.twitter.com/TrentTelenko/status/1501799537773531136?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1501799537773531136%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.readytogo.net%2Fsmb%2Fthreads%2Frussia-invading-ukraine.1566159%2Fpage-1176

Even if they take Kyiv and kill Zelenskky etc. There is no way the Ukrainian army will stop and nor will the people accept whatever puppet Putin installs and neither can the Russian Army subdue the whole Ukranian population.

In two weeks, the Russians have lost more troops than the US lost during 8 years in Iraq. Its not sustainable.

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Re: Russia - worrying?
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« Reply #1118 on: March 10, 2022, 10:20:AM »
Even if they take Kyiv and kill Zelenskky etc. There is no way the Ukrainian army will stop and nor will the people accept whatever puppet Putin installs and neither can the Russian Army subdue the whole Ukranian population.

In two weeks, the Russians have lost more troops than the US lost during 8 years in Iraq. Its not sustainable.

The thing that struck me, is where it describes territorial auxiliaries who are able to position themselves in ambush situations and pick-off columns with the weapons they have received (from the likes of UK).

Even if the Ukrainian professional army are in retreat or are outgunned in a particular vicinity, the travelling Russian vehicles are vulnerable to assault from armed auxiliaries. Russia would need to scuttle abandoned vehicles to prevent them from falling in to the hands of Ukrainian forces.

Whatever the Ukrainians have done regarding training territorials or having received training from NATO forces for their own professional army - I would have expected Russia to have had intelligence of such and to calculate the risk. This seems to be lacking.

Another issue that has come to light is the use of Russian conscripts as opposed to their professional army. Surely conscripts should have been in the rear?  I may sound like an armchair general but there you have it.

On top of the needless casualties on both sides, the thing that pisses me off is that Putin has inestimably weakened Russia's position as a counterweight to US. If he has been drawn in to doing this, then you have say he has been outfoxed by the US. When you consider his standing in the wake of Russian intervention in Syria, this could be a huge fall for them. That is not good for the rest of the world, as it simply emboldens the US.

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #1119 on: March 10, 2022, 11:14:AM »
Another issue that has come to light is the use of Russian conscripts as opposed to their professional army. Surely conscripts should have been in the rear?  I may sound like an armchair general but there you have it.

The consensus is that the conscripts were used as "cannon fodder". That being sending in conscripts with obsolete tanks in front in order to deplete the Ukrainian anti tank missiles.


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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #1120 on: March 10, 2022, 11:22:AM »
the white helmets are there https://off-guardian.org/2022/03/10/nato-white-helmets-follow-al-qaeda-to-ukraine/

That's all we need. Next there will be a 'Russian chemical attack'.  They are already paving the way by leaking stories predicting it. Tried and tested tactics.

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« Reply #1121 on: March 10, 2022, 11:44:AM »
The consensus is that the conscripts were used as "cannon fodder". That being sending in conscripts with obsolete tanks in front in order to deplete the Ukrainian anti tank missiles.

They should have used drones and missiles first. They should have been monitoring by satellite, all movement on the ground. Why risk tanks in that way?

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #1122 on: March 10, 2022, 12:04:PM »
That's all we need. Next there will be a 'Russian chemical attack'.  They are already paving the way by leaking stories predicting it. Tried and tested tactics.

Off Guardian is a fake news outlet only a retard would take seriously.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/offguardian/

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #1123 on: March 10, 2022, 12:20:PM »
They should have used drones and missiles first. They should have been monitoring by satellite, all movement on the ground. Why risk tanks in that way?

Russia have fired 600 cruise missiles so far.

The Ukrainian troops seem mostly dispersed in the cities, lurking in buildings waiting with anti tank and anti aircraft rockets. The Russians will either need to fight door to door or reduce to cities to nothing via artillery.

Russia claims to have destroyed over 900 Ukrainian tanks.

https://interfax.com/newsroom/top-stories/76081/

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #1124 on: March 10, 2022, 12:26:PM »
Off Guardian is a fake news outlet only a retard would take seriously.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/offguardian/

Off-Guardian is not a fake news site. It is simply not a mainstream news site. Some of its contributers have been censored or banned by The Guardian.

Can you please refrain from using the R word, as it is offensive.