Russia - worrying?

[mike tesko]

'Peter Venesis' is, was 'a fucking deviant lying, evil bastard' in the employ of 'THE POWERS THAT BE'

[David1819]

1000 Russians dead now.


https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/russia-ukraine-crisis-over-1-000-russian-soldiers-killed-so-far-says-ukraine-2789642

[killingeve]

I haven't outlined a conspiracy theory. But do you honestly believe a British pathologist would conclude that it was murder dressed as suicide, given the implications that it would imply a state sanctioned murder?

You're suggesting once again that Prof Vanezis produced a less than truthful post-mortem to appease others.  Utterly ludicrous imo.  I believe 99.9% of registered UK pathologists produce entirely reliable pm's without consideration of any external influence. 

Does the UK have a history of "state sanctioned murder" of its own people? 

I really shouldn't be indulging you 

[killingeve]

'Peter Venesis' is, was 'a fucking deviant lying, evil bastard' in the employ of 'THE POWERS THAT BE'

What evidence exists to support the above?

[killingeve]

1000 Russians dead now.


https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/russia-ukraine-crisis-over-1-000-russian-soldiers-killed-so-far-says-ukraine-2789642

I'm sure there will be a lot of propaganda put out by both sides so how do you know your figures of 450 and 1,000 are accurate?

If it escalates into member countries of NATO you're young enough to be conscripted David.  The millennials might have a shock when they find its a far cry from playing war games on Xbox. 

[Roch]

You're suggesting once again that Prof Vanezis produced a less than truthful post-mortem to appease others.  Utterly ludicrous imo.  I believe 99.9% of registered UK pathologists produce entirely reliable pm's without consideration of any external influence.[ 

Does the UK have a history of "state sanctioned murder" of its own people?

I really shouldn't be indulging you 

How could you possibly have evidence to back up your 'belief'? Even accounting for unreliable post mortems that have been uncovered (which you have assessed at 0.1%), there is still the possibility of unreliable post mortems which have not been uncovered.

Re your second question: what's the probability that the British state has never sanctioned the killing / disappearance of a British citizen? 

[Roch]

You're suggesting once again that Prof Vanezis produced a less than truthful post-mortem to appease others.

Also, you got this wrong. I did not suggest this. I was aware of his comment regarding the soil. I never implied he carried out anything related to the PM.

Concerns were expressed by doctors:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1302640/Dr-Kelly-investigation-inadequate-Now-NINE-doctors-demand-inquest.html

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1199109/13-doctors-demand-inquest-Dr-David-Kellys-death.html

There was also this article.  The Mail seems to have a monopoly on it:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-488667/Why-I-know-weapons-expert-Dr-David-Kelly-murdered-MP-spent-year-investigating-death.html

[Roch]

What evidence exists to support the above?

All over the crime scene negatives of the deceased.  We are getting off topic from Russia.

That's just reminded me... I forgot to reply to your McDonnell post.

[David1819]

2800 Russians dead.


https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukrainian-minister-says-russia-has-lost-about-2800-servicemen-attacks-2022-02-25/

[lookout]

There's a lot of disinformation about David and Russia themselves are putting a lot of it out.

[David1819]

There's a lot of disinformation about David and Russia themselves are putting a lot of it out.

The maps show battles all over the country. The Ukrainians are willing to fight.

[Roch]

If those figures were accurate, I think Putin would be forced out by his own people.

[David1819]

If those figures were accurate, I think Putin would be forced out by his own people.

The majority of Russians are too brainwashed. And the Russian state domestic security apparatus is ruthless. If Putin is overthrown, it would probably be done by one of his generals or inner circle.

[Roch]

The majority of Russians are too brainwashed. And the Russian state domestic security apparatus is ruthless. If Putin is overthrown, it would probably be done by one of his generals or inner circle.

There have been large scale protests across Russian cities. I think you oversimplify due to decades of US propaganda.

[David1819]

There have been large scale protests across Russian cities. I think you oversimplify due to decades of US propaganda.

I wouldn't describe them as "large scale". Saying that they never get a chance to gain momentum.

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-police-arrest-more-than-1-700-anti-war-protesters-in-russia-as-anger-erupts-over-invasion-12550653

What propaganda?