Russia - worrying?

[Steve_uk]

   You know very little of Russia, Steve, and what little you do know is the repeated talking points of western intelligence agencies through the media. Since the heavy sanctions Russia has become self reliant in many areas, the agriculture especially has grown.
    As I have already pointed out, it is not Russia who covets our natural resources. It is the West acting aggressively, not Russia. You are easily led by misinformation via a controlled media.
    It is laughable to be told that Russia are killing journalists and censoring media by Western presstitutes who seem to have forgotten that the most famous case of state censorship and oppression of journalism is taking place under their noses and with their full connivance. Julian Assange anyone.
    It is a great big elephant in the room with an 800lb gorilla on its back. Those guilty of the persecution of Assange, or of turning a blind eye to it, have zero credibility to lecture about press freedom.

If there had been no invasion of Crimea there would be no need for Western sanctions. Russia is stifling democratic debate and killing (yes killing) its political opponents.  https://youtu.be/vM04zNbsaJg

[gringo]

Ah yes. Russia is a safe haven for the likes of Assange.

https://cpj.org/data/killed/europe/russia/?status=Killed&motiveConfirmed%5B%5D=Confirmed&type%5B%5D=Journalist&cc_fips%5B%5D=RS&start_year=1992&end_year=2020&group_by=location


 

    Your sarcasm is ill judged. Snowden is safe in Russia. Assange is facing 175 years prison and is subject to torture by the UK govt. according to the UN special rapporteur on torture, Nils Melzer.
 The trials and tribulations of the other players in this ongoing assault on freedom of speech, Chelsea Manning and Edward Snowden, are well known. You need to worry about your own government before you can criticise others.
     The UK along with the usual band of war criminals masquerading as statesmen are a greater danger to world peace than Russia. The aggressions of the West are magnitudes greater than any Russian sins.

[gringo]

If there had been no invasion of Crimea there would be no need for Western sanctions. Russia is stifling democratic debate and killing (yes killing) its political opponents.  https://youtu.be/vM04zNbsaJg

    Do you think the Crimeans want liberating from this so called invasion? They don't, if you are unaware. Why do you think that the Crimean people should be forced to live under another regime? Why are you concerned about who governs the Crimeans? and why would you want them to be ruled by a regime they distrust?

[Steve_uk]

    Do you think the Crimeans want liberating from this so called invasion? They don't, if you are unaware. Why do you think that the Crimean people should be forced to live under another regime? Why are you concerned about who governs the Crimeans? and why would you want them to be ruled by a regime they distrust?

It was the first change of sovereignty by force in Europe since the Second World War. A terrible precedent to set.

[David1819]

    Your sarcasm is ill judged. Snowden is safe in Russia. Assange is facing 175 years prison and is subject to torture by the UK govt. according to the UN special rapporteur on torture, Nils Melzer.
 The trials and tribulations of the other players in this ongoing assault on freedom of speech, Chelsea Manning and Edward Snowden, are well known. You need to worry about your own government before you can criticise others.
     

How does one "safe" american make up for 57 murdered journalists?   

Assange is an attention whore. The "psychological torture" is an act. Had he actually answered the charges back in 2013 and (if we assume) found guilty, Obama would have commuted his sentence in 2017 like he did with his co-conspirator Chelsea Manning.  Now Chelsea Manning is back in prison for refusing to testify against Assange and Assange more or less imprisioned himself in the Ecuadorian embassy for 7 years. He only has himself to blame really.


Furthermore Chelsea Manning and Assange committed theft and espionage. Freedom of speech does mean freedom to steal nor does it mean freedom to divulge confidential information without permission.

[gringo]

It was the first change of sovereignty by force in Europe since the Second World War. A terrible precedent to set.

    Is it your belief that the Crimean people should be forced against their will to live under the Ukrainian regime? You don't address the issues. Don't changes of sovereignty by force count if they are not in Europe and haven't you forgotten Yugoslavia? Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya plus the ongoing attempts to destabilise Iran, Venezuela, Russia, China to name but a handful. These don't count because they aren't in Europe?
     I don't need to ask why you included such irrelevant and wrong parameters in your non answer. You are way out of your depth on geopolitics as you have demonstrated previously and are limited to repeating things that you have heard via a discredited media and state institutions. Western aggression against other countries is in front of your eyes and you refuse to see it. Russia's actions in the world cannot be credibly criticised by anyone who supports/condones the actions of the UK and its criminal cohorts on the world stage.

[David1819]

Lets get back topic.

https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/poisoning-russian-dissidents-200822163134775.html

[gringo]

How does one "safe" american make up for 57 murdered journalists?   

Assange is an attention whore. The "psychological torture" is an act. Had he actually answered the charges back in 2013 and (if we assume) found guilty, Obama would have commuted his sentence in 2017 like he did with his co-conspirator Chelsea Manning.  Now Chelsea Manning is back in prison for refusing to testify against Assange and Assange more or less imprisioned himself in the Ecuadorian embassy for 7 years. He only has himself to blame really.


Furthermore Chelsea Manning and Assange committed theft and espionage. Freedom of speech does mean freedom to steal nor does it mean freedom to divulge confidential information without permission.

    You understand nothing about the Assange case as your brief summary demonstrates and are an apologist for war criminals. You also seem to be assuming that murdered journalists happen only in Russia and are all by the Kremlin. You are doing the same as you accuse Adam of. Gish Gallop. A list of journalists is not an argument. Should you wish to discuss some of those cases individually then do so.
     In the same time frame, according to your source, 11 were murdered in the US. Accidents, like the one that Michael Hastings died in, are not included. You have no idea how many journalists are killed/silenced  by either the Russian government or your own but it would be more honest to be holding your own government to account for reasons too obvious to point out.
     

[Roch]

Russia's actions in the world cannot be credibly criticised by anyone who supports/condones the actions of the UK and its criminal cohorts on the world stage.

'Axis of Evil'  USA / Israel / UK - (some people might add Saudi Arabia).

[gringo]

Lets get back topic.

https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/poisoning-russian-dissidents-200822163134775.html

    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/08/navalny-was-not-poisoned.html#comments

     Have a read, particularly the comments and you may learn something. The links between the Hospital involved and the NGO's and a previous supposed poisoning of a Pussy Riot member(an obvious Western intelligence asset) are particularly informative but you will need to read the comments to unearth those links.

[gringo]

'Axis of Evil'  USA / Israel / UK - (some people might add Saudi Arabia).

   And France. The Veto in the UN Security Council makes the governments of these countries particularly attractive to those intent on subjugating the world. The France, UK, US axis is sometimes referred to as FUKUS which is particularly apt. Israel in reality is a giant military base for the Western powers rather than a real nation state and its continued existence as an apartheid state is becoming increasingly untenable.
    The tail is now wagging the dog.

[Roch]

   And France. The Veto in the UN Security Council makes the governments of these countries particularly attractive to those intent on subjugating the world. The France, UK, US axis is sometimes referred to as FUKUS which is particularly apt. Israel in reality is a giant military base for the Western powers rather than a real nation state and its continued existence as an apartheid state is becoming increasingly untenable.
    The tail is now wagging the dog.

I'm currently reading an excellent book about 7/7. There seems to be a good few Israeli links regarding that as well.

[gringo]

I'm currently reading an excellent book about 7/7. There seems to be a good few Israeli links regarding that as well.

    What book are you reading?
    Israel has become the tail that wags the dog. Zionism is a racist and criminal enterprise and our government and state institutions as well as France and US are full of fifth columnists who serve other interests. Our free media will never discuss this and any journalist/politician that dares to address this will be, and are, hounded and ruined.

[David1819]

    You understand nothing about the Assange case as your brief summary demonstrates and are an apologist for war criminals. You also seem to be assuming that murdered journalists happen only in Russia and are all by the Kremlin. You are doing the same as you accuse Adam of. Gish Gallop. A list of journalists is not an argument. Should you wish to discuss some of those cases individually then do so.
     In the same time frame, according to your source, 11 were murdered in the US. Accidents, like the one that Michael Hastings died in, are not included. You have no idea how many journalists are killed/silenced  by either the Russian government or your own but it would be more honest to be holding your own government to account for reasons too obvious to point out.
   

Oh.. didn't mean to hit a nerve. My apologies.. 

[David1819]

'Axis of Evil'  USA / Israel / UK - (some people might add Saudi Arabia).

Then why do you choose to live here? How does the US attract the largest migrant population on the planet?

Evil places I tell you