Russia - worrying?

[Roch]

Russia has admitted to 500 dead and 1500 wounded.  Those figures are astounding.  Every mother in Russia should want to kill Putin.

[lookout]

Just reading my local paper which says there's a ship docked in Liverpool ( Ukranian captain ) and the crew are both Ukranian and Russian but there's no conflict amongst them as they stated that they " were all family ". None of them know if they'll see their families again but the Liverpool Seafarer's Centre are making sure they have connections by providing them with support and SIM cards for the Ukranians to keep in touch with families.

Sanctions are proving difficult for the Russian seafarers in accessing their pay, travel and access to ports.

[nugnug]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=000XhSUFm2c

[nugnug]

https://youtu.be/_heIuKEIW9Y

[killingeve]

They want their money for political donations, keeping house prices rocketing. Investing their money in British businesses and they hide their money in offshore tax havens as do a lot of 'Tories' . They may find themselves in hot water if the RO's are using the same rackets to hide their money from the tax man. They are worried about too much disclosure.

If by they you mean Con and Lab then why rock the boat now attempting to seize assets?

What evidence exists that Tories are evading tax?

[killingeve]

I see elements of Serbia are supporting Russia.

[Bubo bubo]

If by they you mean Con and Lab then why rock the boat now attempting to seize assets?

What evidence exists that Tories are evading tax?

I do not wish to get into a political debate but both David Cameron and Zac Goldsmith are funded by trusts set up by their fathers. It is termed tax avoidance not evasion. I am sure if I had the time or inclination I could find others. Generally members of other political parties do not have the wealth in the first instance and I do not know Tony Blair's tax arrangements.

The seizing of assets is window dressing in some peoples eyes. There is little support for Ukraine militarily except sending some defensive equipment. The only other way is to hurt Russia and its citizens is economic so the removal of assets of the RO's is a gesture. I think it unlikely they will seek to rid themselves of Putin. They are trapped in his web.

[Roch]

I see elements of Serbia are supporting Russia.

Inevitable probably. The Russians sent a military presence as an attempt to thwart NATO in a previous conflict. Can't remember if it was Serbia or Kosovo.

[killingeve]

I do not wish to get into a political debate but both David Cameron and Zac Goldsmith are funded by trusts set up by their fathers. It is termed tax avoidance not evasion. I am sure if I had the time or inclination I could find others. Generally members of other political parties do not have the wealth in the first instance and I do not know Tony Blair's tax arrangements.

The seizing of assets is window dressing in some peoples eyes. There is little support for Ukraine militarily except sending some defensive equipment. The only other way is to hurt Russia and its citizens is economic so the removal of assets of the RO's is a gesture. I think it unlikely they will seek to rid themselves of Putin. They are trapped in his web.

Many people avoid tax eg by using their ISA allowance.  Tax avoidance is legal; tax evasion isn't. 

But the seizing of RO's assets are small fry compared to Russia's revenues from oil and gas.  In any event why has the West waited until now to go after the RO's?  Rightly or wrongly I think the West believes the RO's have some influence over Putin. 

[killingeve]

Inevitable probably. The Russians sent a military presence as an attempt to thwart NATO in a previous conflict. Can't remember if it was Serbia or Kosovo.

Yes apparently Russia and Serbia share long historical ties. 

[Roch]

Yes apparently Russia and Serbia share long historical ties.

Slavic people's, I think. Both fought against Nazi Germany. Whereas Ukraine and Croatia had nazi units.

[Bubo bubo]

Many people avoid tax eg by using their ISA allowance.  Tax avoidance is legal; tax evasion isn't. 

But the seizing of RO's assets are small fry compared to Russia's revenues from oil and gas.  In any event why has the West waited until now to go after the RO's?  Rightly or wrongly I think the West believes the RO's have some influence over Putin.

I believe this thinking is misplaced. see reply  955

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,6518.msg516506.html#msg516506

[killingeve]

Slavic people's, I think. Both fought against Nazi Germany. Whereas Ukraine and Croatia had nazi units.

I'm just brushing up on my history! 

I've watched episode 1 which was excellent:

ttps://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/m00084td/rise-of-the-nazis?seriesId=p09jgl9v

[killingeve]

I believe this thinking is misplaced. see reply  955

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,6518.msg516506.html#msg516506

In which case why give the RO's carte blanche in the first place and allow them to spend their ill-gotten gains and time in the West where he has no control over them? 

[lookout]

The disgrace at the moment is the sheer deprivation of the students from India to whom everyone's ignored.